is it split-screen ?

[Shelo]

dungeon defenders 1 was split-screen , is this split screen or not ?

[K-ToF]

Not until they can connect 2 steam accounts to the game session.

They plan to do it, but it's something that's never been done on steam before.

[Jork]

引用自 K-ToF：

Not until they can connect 2 steam accounts to the game session.

They plan to do it, but it's something that's never been done on steam before.

I think he means split screen for two people in the same room. DD1 did this pretty well and you could play online with no problems too.

DD2 doesn't have this feature though. Not sure why they'd be working on a multiplayer split screen function that needs 2 steam accounts since that sounds completely pointless, unless you were being sarcastic?

[Nelly]

引用自 Jorkfriend：

引用自 K-ToF：

Not until they can connect 2 steam accounts to the game session.

They plan to do it, but it's something that's never been done on steam before.

I think he means split screen for two people in the same room. DD1 did this pretty well and you could play online with no problems too.

DD2 doesn't have this feature though. Not sure why they'd be working on a multiplayer split screen function that needs 2 steam accounts since that sounds completely pointless, unless you were being sarcastic?

and K-ToF means the same.

in DD2 you will need 2 steam accounts to play splitscreen, its the same on PS4. and there are many reasons for it

[Jork]

引用自 Nelly：

引用自 Jorkfriend：

I think he means split screen for two people in the same room. DD1 did this pretty well and you could play online with no problems too.

DD2 doesn't have this feature though. Not sure why they'd be working on a multiplayer split screen function that needs 2 steam accounts since that sounds completely pointless, unless you were being sarcastic?

and K-ToF means the same.

in DD2 you will need 2 steam accounts to play splitscreen, its the same on PS4. and there are many reasons for it

Sounds like they're taking a huge step back. If they're concerned about the 2nd player being an AFK-farmer to get another loot chest, this isn't going to stop that since making a steam account is free and so is DD2.

[K-ToF]

You can't transfer loot/gold or gems though.

Anything 1 account gains doesn't benefit or hinder the 2nd one.

So, sure, you could make an alt steam account if you wanted to, but there's really no reason to.

[Jork]

引用自 K-ToF：

You can't transfer loot/gold or gems though.

Anything 1 account gains doesn't benefit or hinder the 2nd one.

So, sure, you could make an alt steam account if you wanted to, but there's really no reason to.

I thought you could drop loot in this game and have a friend pick it up. I could've sworn I did that in the past, but it's been a long time since I played so I might be mistaken.

Also, if they intended for 2 seperate systems and steam accounts in order to get split-screen working, who's even going to use it? Why not just play the regular online mode on private and not worry about having your screen split up for each player?

Programs like sandboxie exist where you won't need 2 different computers, but nobody's gonna run that just to get a proper split-screen working.

[Nelly]

引用自 Jorkfriend：

引用自 K-ToF：

You can't transfer loot/gold or gems though.

Anything 1 account gains doesn't benefit or hinder the 2nd one.

So, sure, you could make an alt steam account if you wanted to, but there's really no reason to.

I thought you could drop loot in this game and have a friend pick it up. I could've sworn I did that in the past, but it's been a long time since I played so I might be mistaken.

you cant drop/trade items (yet i hope)

引用自 Jorkfriend：

Also, if they intended for 2 seperate systems and steam accounts in order to get split-screen working, who's even going to use it? Why not just play the regular online mode and not worry about having your screen split up for each player?

splitscreen is for people who only have one computer/console. why should splitscreen always be on the same account? i would love to have my OWN progression even in splitscreen. i think that is a step forward, and not backward.
and: why do you need splitscreen when you have two pcs for online?

[Jork]

引用自 Nelly：

引用自 Jorkfriend：

I thought you could drop loot in this game and have a friend pick it up. I could've sworn I did that in the past, but it's been a long time since I played so I might be mistaken.

you cant drop/trade items (yet i hope)

引用自 Jorkfriend：

Also, if they intended for 2 seperate systems and steam accounts in order to get split-screen working, who's even going to use it? Why not just play the regular online mode and not worry about having your screen split up for each player?

splitscreen is for people who only have on computer/console. why should splitscreen always be on the same account? i would love to have my OWN progression even in splitscreen. i think that is a step forward, and not backward.
and: why do you need splitscreen when you have two pcs for online?

Ah okay, I was misremembering then. It's been a long time since I played online!

I don't mean that split-screen should always be enabled, I just don't see what was wrong with it in DD1. You hooked up a controller, pressed start, and passed it to your friend. Easy peasy.

With the way this is being setup where it needs two steam accounts, unless you use a program like Sandboxie to run a second Steam with another account on the same computer, you're going to need a second computer to play split-screen, which is what I don't understand. I don't have two computers and surely Trendy isn't expecting people to run virtual sandbox programs in order to get this working as it should.

If it does need two computers, there's no point in doing split-screen since each player would have their own system, meaning you don't need to share a screen since each player has their own screen.

If you just connected to a private online game, each player has their own entire viewport with no need to split-screen, so...??? I don't get it.

[Nelly]

引用自 Jorkfriend：

引用自 Nelly：

you cant drop/trade items (yet i hope)



splitscreen is for people who only have on computer/console. why should splitscreen always be on the same account? i would love to have my OWN progression even in splitscreen. i think that is a step forward, and not backward.
and: why do you need splitscreen when you have two pcs for online?

Ah okay, I was misremembering then. It's been a long time since I played online!

I don't mean that split-screen should always be enabled, I just don't see what was wrong with it in DD1. You hooked up a controller, pressed start, and passed it to your friend. Easy peasy.

i know how easy it was in DD1, i used it too.

引用自 Jorkfriend：

With the way this is being setup where it needs two steam accounts, unless you use a program like Sandboxie to run a second Steam with another account, you're going to need a second computer to play split-screen, which is what I don't understand.

that is the problem trendy have currently. they need valve to cooperate for it. because steam dont allow two logins in one game. they decided to do it in this way. ps4 has the same. and they cant change it for pc.

[Jork]

引用自 Nelly：

引用自 Jorkfriend：

Ah okay, I was misremembering then. It's been a long time since I played online!

I don't mean that split-screen should always be enabled, I just don't see what was wrong with it in DD1. You hooked up a controller, pressed start, and passed it to your friend. Easy peasy.

i know how easy it was in DD1, i used it too.

引用自 Jorkfriend：

With the way this is being setup where it needs two steam accounts, unless you use a program like Sandboxie to run a second Steam with another account, you're going to need a second computer to play split-screen, which is what I don't understand.

that is the problem trendy have currently. they need valve to cooperate for it. because steam dont allow two logins in one game. they decided to do it in this way. ps4 has the same. and they cant change it for pc.

Oh, okay. That makes sense then.

I didn't even consider Trendy trying to work with Valve. Valve basically embodies sloth itself though, so I doubt they'll ever get around to it.

Hopefully split-screen gets added though and Valve actually does something for once.

[Nelly]

引用自 Jorkfriend：

引用自 Nelly：

i know how easy it was in DD1, i used it too.



that is the problem trendy have currently. they need valve to cooperate for it. because steam dont allow two logins in one game. they decided to do it in this way. ps4 has the same. and they cant change it for pc.

Oh, okay. That makes sense then.

I didn't even consider Trendy trying to work with Valve. Valve basically embodies sloth itself though, so I doubt they'll ever get around to it.

Hopefully split-screen gets added though and Valve actually does something for once.

yeah, same here. but i cant see that valve will cooperate with them, leading in a new feature in steam.

[K-ToF]

A few users post here from time to time about wanting to play the game with their spouse or child, but only have 1 system. This feature would mostly be for them.

It's not done like in DD1 is because DD2 is online only to prevent cheating and all your stuff is on server side. As I'm told, cheating in DD1 was an issue.

There are a few reasons to not use the single account system DD1 used. To quote myself:

- Implementing a single account split-screen as a temporary solution would:
A: Require the PS4 version and PC version to be even more distinct, splitting development.
B: Involve either a lot of restrictions that would handicap both players, or be exploitable.
C: Ultimately be pointless work since the intended split-screen is going to use 2 accounts.

I've been thinking about how they could get 2 accounts in the same game, and I think they might use the steam family share system.

To family share your steam library to someone, you have to log into their computer and allow it to use your library. So family share keeps it's own list of authorized users. I could see them allowed users from that list to participate in split screen after inserting some sort of confirmation code or something.

[Jork]

引用自 K-ToF：

A few users post here from time to time about wanting to play the game with their spouse or child, but only have 1 system. This feature would mostly be for them.

It's not done like in DD1 is because DD2 is online only to prevent cheating and all your stuff is on server side. As I'm told, cheating in DD1 was an issue.

There are a few reasons to not use the single account system DD1 used. To quote myself:

- Implementing a single account split-screen as a temporary solution would:
A: Require the PS4 version and PC version to be even more distinct, splitting development.
B: Involve either a lot of restrictions that would handicap both players, or be exploitable.
C: Ultimately be pointless work since the intended split-screen is going to use 2 accounts.

I've been thinking about how they could get 2 accounts in the same game, and I think they might use the steam family share system.

To family share your steam library to someone, you have to log into their computer and allow it to use your library. So family share keeps it's own list of authorized users. I could see them allowed users from that list to participate in split screen after inserting some sort of confirmation code or something.

Makes sense, thanks for the input. I didn't consider most of those things

Yeah, modded items in Ranked were problematic in the first game. I only played solo/with friends so I'm not fully sure just how prevelant it was, but I do remember a lot of bans being handed out by Trendy. Definitely not an optimal system for Trendy needing to review screenshots and hand out manual bans.

For the anti-cheat alone, I'm on board with this.

[Shelo]

Damn .... Developers need to make more split-screen games . I know it has many problems and there are tons of reasons why they don't do it , but I want to play stuff with my brother .

[Jork]

引用自 Shelo：

Damn .... Developers need to make more split-screen games . I know it has many problems and there are tons of reasons why they don't do it , but I want to play stuff with my brother .

If you like goofy over-the-top shooters, check out EDF 4.1.

It was their first PC port from a japanese developer and it actually has working split screen without any real issues.

Just got done playing the whole campaign via splitscreen with a friend recently