Background: Wukong does not really have a gender

[E~O]

For those who does not know the background, Wukong is a mythic figure from a Chinese novel, Journey to the West, back in 16th century. It is a monkey that born from a stone, nowhere in the novel specify the gender of Wukong.

It is often called "大师兄” in the novel by others in the group except the master Sanzang. And "大师兄" back in the days when the novel was written also did not impose gender identification It simply means the most senior one among the disciples, though in modern language, "兄” specifically identifies as male. However, even in proper terminology of Daoism(aka Taoism) and Buddhism, it still means senior in modern language.

As a matter of fact, the spiritual guai from the novel does not have a gender per say, as only some animals have gender, but spiritual guai's true form could be a plant, an object, a rock, a mountain....That is why it is called spiritual guai, because in traditional Daoism and Buddhism in China, everything has its spirit. With proper enlightenment, everything could ascend to a higher form.

So the accusation of lack of diversity, and inclusiveness is absurd, as it includes more than just human being, animal, plants, and insects, but also objects, lifeless form in modern language. It is more diverse and inclusive then what people would assume.

FYI, Guanyin in Chinese Buddhism, the god/Buddha of compassion, is gender neutral as well. Though Guanyin is often potraited as a female in Chinese culture, that is simply because female is often described with kind, mercy, and compassion. Therefore, "she" chose to show "herself" as amiable female to approach and enlighten the general public. In Indian Buddhism, Guanyin is potraited as male. This is how Buddhism evolves and adapts based on different culture. One of the reason Chinese Buddhism evolves like this is because during the missionary, it mixed in some concepts from Daoism to better fit into Chinese culture.

So for those who accuse the lack of female in the game. That means you have already assumed a gender for some of the characters，especially when they don't show characteristic gender specific phenotype. And I wonder if this is sexism.... For the tigers, wolves, rock, spider, how can you tell what gender they have, as some do have gender, some are gender-neutral...It would be inappropriate to call a stone a male or a female, don't you think?

[Seagrey]

I call it monke Sun Wu Kong and nothing else.

[Beagle]

That's not true. He's male and it was implied in many of the stories.

For example, in episode 27 of the lore, "三打白虎精"，the female ghost tried to seduce him and lore him away so that she could get to Tangseng. But her plan was discovered by Sun Wukong and she ended up getting beaten to death by his big long stick.

[Ro5hamBo]

Go away. Gamers don't care about any of this ideological BS. They just want good games that respect any source material that is used and not some corrupted, DEI infested crap heap.

[bstiff]

what? monkey king and I cant beat my monkey ♥♥♥♥ 24/7? so much for reality in games

[E~O]

Originally posted by Beagle:

That's not true. He's male and it was implied in many of the stories.

For example, in episode 27 of the lore, "三打白虎精"，the female ghost tried to seduce him and lore him away so that she could get to Tangseng. But her plan was discovered by Sun Wukong and she ended up getting beaten to death by his big long stick.

I get that it was implied, but as I said, it was not specifically written in the novel. Also, it you read the actual novel, the guai tried to trick Bajie while Wukong was away for the first, and got beaten up immediately when Wukong came back. I don't know how this is called "seduce"... Later transformation was an old nanny and an old man. So....

[The King in Yellow]

The gender is banana.

[E~O]

Originally posted by Ro5hamBo:

Go away. Gamers don't care about any of this ideological BS. They just want good games that respect any source material that is used and not some corrupted, DEI infested crap heap.

Same here, I don't really care about ideological BS, but now there are just too many of those BS around. I simply hope that this can be a good rebuttal to all those BS and shut them up.

[Beagle]

Originally posted by E~O:

Originally posted by Beagle:

That's not true. He's male and it was implied in many of the stories.

For example, in episode 27 of the lore, "三打白虎精"，the female ghost tried to seduce him and lore him away so that she could get to Tangseng. But her plan was discovered by Sun Wukong and she ended up getting beaten to death by his big long stick.

I get that it was implied, but as I said, it was not specifically written in the novel. Also, it you read the actual novel, the guai tried to trick Bajie while Wukong was away for the first, and got beaten up immediately when Wukong came back. I don't know how this is called "seduce"... Later transformation was an old nanny and an old man. So....

The four characters were supposed to be decedents from gods. They were cast down to earth as punishment. They were beings from the heaven originally. Like gods.
They were not supposed to be indulging of humanly life, such as reproductive activities.

Technically, they are gender-less because they weren't human beings (mammals, to be exact).

But, from the literature point of view, i beleive the author assumes their gender and give them humanly characteristics to be more acceptable by the general public.

[prusswan]

they have an assumed gender (e.g. when peeing into buddha hand)

[Beagle]

Originally posted by prusswan:

they have an assumed gender (e.g. when peeing into buddha hand)

what gender is Buddha?

[Naamtar]

Wukong? More like Wokeong, am I right?

[Beagle]

Originally posted by Naamtar:

Wukong? More like Wokeong, am I right?

Wrong.

[E~O]

Originally posted by Beagle:

Originally posted by E~O:

I get that it was implied, but as I said, it was not specifically written in the novel. Also, it you read the actual novel, the guai tried to trick Bajie while Wukong was away for the first, and got beaten up immediately when Wukong came back. I don't know how this is called "seduce"... Later transformation was an old nanny and an old man. So....

The four characters were supposed to be decedents from gods. They were cast down to earth as punishment. They were beings from the heaven originally. Like gods.
They were not supposed to be indulging of humanly life, such as reproductive activities.

Technically, they are gender-less because they weren't human beings (mammals, to be exact).

But, from the literature point of view, i beleive the author assumes their gender and give them humanly characteristics to be more acceptable by the general public.

Agreed. Assumed gender. Also, I mean, honestly, targeting these mythic characters which were created back in the 16th century by today's standard is absurd by itself. Woke culture just want their hand in every corner. Why don't they make Lincoln or Washington or even Jesus female....haha...

[Beagle]

Originally posted by E~O:

Originally posted by Beagle:

The four characters were supposed to be decedents from gods. They were cast down to earth as punishment. They were beings from the heaven originally. Like gods.
They were not supposed to be indulging of humanly life, such as reproductive activities.

Technically, they are gender-less because they weren't human beings (mammals, to be exact).

But, from the literature point of view, i beleive the author assumes their gender and give them humanly characteristics to be more acceptable by the general public.

Agreed. Assumed gender. Also, I mean, honestly, targeting these mythic characters which were created back in the 16th century by today's standard is absurd by itself. Woke culture just want their hand in every corner. Why don't they make Lincoln or Washington or even Jesus female....haha...

They just might.

There is this TV show based on Victorian times, supposedly. They made the queen of England and the nobleman Black.

[Naamtar]

Originally posted by Beagle:

Originally posted by Naamtar:

Wukong? More like Wokeong, am I right?

Wrong.

Pretending to be a gender that you're not is pretty woke. That's what you said the author is doing to try and get public acceptance?