I am "Woke" and I Get the Reaction Here

[Huckleberry]

I would likely be considered "woke" by many here. I believe that diversity and representation are valuable as goals of their own.

Diversity: In any arena, be it work, school, or on a team, diversity of backgrounds and experiences only brings strength to a group. Having people from different communities in a group broadens the thinking of the group as a whole and, ultimately, will strengthen the result for all.

Representation: I am learning, as my now 6-year-old daughter is growing up, how important this is. I grew up in a family of brothers. We are all white. I never thought about representation. Now, seeing how much my daughter identifies with the female characters in movies and books, I think about it a lot.

Having people that look/act like you in movies, games, books, music, etc. is very powerful and meaningful. I want my daughter to know that she can be anything she wants to be. The way she truly knows that is to see herself in others and learn by example. I believe everyone's sons and daughters should feel like they can be/do anything. I want all people to look at the world and see hope and joy, not fear and shame. Seeing others like you in art/media is a powerful way to create that hope and, therefore, I believe representation is vital to a world I believe most of us want for our children.

All that being said, I now understand why this forum is so filled with Anti-woke threads.

Between the review code embargoes and the ScreenRant review, there is a lot of stuff that is odd here.

I will say that, as much as I believe in what I wrote above, when I got to the part of the ScreenRant review where the author brought up representation I thought, "What?! This is video game based on a Chinese tale about demons, gods, and shape-shifting animagi." It immediately felt weird...even to my liberal brain. Certainly it is not my place to tell someone when or how they should feel represented, but this one felt strange even to me.

Additionally, the list of Do's and Dont's that the publisher game to content creators ahead of release, and have supposedly been confirmed, are also weird. Though, honestly, I still do not know if they are true.

Anyway, just wanted to throw in my two cents and say I can at least understand where the other side is coming from here. Not seeing much of that sentiment and thought the forum could use it.

Thanks.

[davidb11]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Octavian Giaus:

There are all types of fools in this world.
I don't want diversity to do surgery on me.
I don't want equity to defend me in a court of law.
I don't want inclusion to design safer airplanes.
xx and xy are that way for a reason. You can not change it.
I do not care one bit about your feelings.
I do not care about your ♥♥♥♥♥♥ preference.
You do you, and leave me alone.
Leave children alone, and know this FA and FO.

Intersex is well documented to exist.
And that's only one of the non xy/xx ones out there. Yes, ♥♥♥ exists as male and female normally, but that's not Gender.
♥♥♥ is not Gender.

Don't insult people who have a genetic disorder, please.

Also, no one is suggesting any of what you claim.
No one is trying to get inclusion to build airplanes.
LOL wut.

[QBEY of GENSOKYO]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Big Chewy™:

It has to be forced. If it happened naturally it would be an issue, never would have been a concern.

forcing ideology is a dictatorship, a far-right behavior by the definition

[Glorious Comrade]

This game is prime example of Diversity, it tells a story that do justice to the source material belonging to a under represented group.

Instead of just throwing minority actors to play Caucasian Characters in a Caucasian story.

The movie Revelation tells a story about Aztec, casting 90% actors of Color. That is diversity, but casting Black people, Asian people to play as Viking raiders or Kings and Queens of European Kingdoms in 12th century is just lazy political correctness

WW2 is primarily male soldiers fighting on the frontline, making a movie that transplant real life story that happened to Male soldiers onto female actors is not empowering, it is distorting history. During WW2 all the male went to war, and a work force primarily made up of the females and children in Yunnan, China built a highway through the mountains to allow Ally Supplies to come in is empowering. Because it is really stories of females, it is their sacrifices that made it possible. If you dig, you will find inspiring stories belong to every group, everyone is fighting their own fight, in their own way. But nooo that is too much work, just caste a female black actor with pink hair to be the fighter pilot and call it diversity and empowering to the females. It is doing the exact opposite.

Wukong as a mythology for Chinese Culture is like Greek mythology for Greece. You can make spins off and branching stories based on it, but you cant just force things into it that does not fit. How would a Greek person feel if the entire pantheon of Olympus is a bunch Asians instead. In a comedy maybe.

[宁]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Huckleberry:

I would likely be considered "woke" by many here. I believe that diversity and representation are valuable as goals of their own.

Diversity: In any arena, be it work, school, or on a team, diversity of backgrounds and experiences only brings strength to a group. Having people from different communities in a group broadens the thinking of the group as a whole and, ultimately, will strengthen the result for all.

Representation: I am learning, as my now 6-year-old daughter is growing up, how important this is. I grew up in a family of brothers. We are all white. I never thought about representation. Now, seeing how much my daughter identifies with the female characters in movies and books, I think about it a lot.

Having people that look/act like you in movies, games, books, music, etc. is very powerful and meaningful. I want my daughter to know that she can be anything she wants to be. The way she truly knows that is to see herself in others and learn by example. I believe everyone's sons and daughters should feel like they can be/do anything. I want all people to look at the world and see hope and joy, not fear and shame. Seeing others like you in art/media is a powerful way to create that hope and, therefore, I believe representation is vital to a world I believe most of us want for our children.

All that being said, I now understand why this forum is so filled with Anti-woke threads.

Between the review code embargoes and the ScreenRant review, there is a lot of stuff that is odd here.

I will say that, as much as I believe in what I wrote above, when I got to the part of the ScreenRant review where the author brought up representation I thought, "What?! This is video game based on a Chinese tale about demons, gods, and shape-shifting animagi." It immediately felt weird...even to my liberal brain. Certainly it is not my place to tell someone when or how they should feel represented, but this one felt strange even to me.

Additionally, the list of Do's and Dont's that the publisher game to content creators ahead of release, and have supposedly been confirmed, are also weird. Though, honestly, I still do not know if they are true.

Anyway, just wanted to throw in my two cents and say I can at least understand where the other side is coming from here. Not seeing much of that sentiment and thought the forum could use it.

Thanks.

Maybe you should understand the background story of this game yourself: "Journey to the West" instead of accepting the media's evaluation of the game without thinking. "Journey to the West" is known as the four famous books in China, and is an anti -feudal aimed novel written by a novelist Wu Chengen in the Ming Dynasty of China. Why can Goku burst into fire in China? Because this is the first 3A game of our Chinese people, as of now, there are still many 3A games without Chinese options. You are not Chinese, so you can’t understand the feelings of Chinese people, and every level mentioned in the game story.

[davidb11]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Glorious Comrade:

This game is prime example of Diversity, it tells a story that do justice to the source material belonging to a under represented group.

Instead of just throwing minority actors to play Caucasian Characters in a Caucasian story.

The movie Revelation tells a story about Aztec, casting 90% actors of Color. That is diversity, but casting Black people, Asian people to play as Viking raiders or Kings and Queens of European Kingdoms in 12th century is just lazy political correctness

WW2 is primarily male soldiers fighting on the frontline, making a movie that transplant real life story that happened to Male soldiers onto female actors is not empowering, it is distorting history. During WW2 all the male went to war, and a work force primarily made up of the females and children in Yunnan, China built a highway through the mountains to allow Ally Supplies to come in is empowering. Because it is really stories of females, it is their sacrifices that made it possible. If you dig, you will find inspiring stories belong to every group, everyone is fighting their own fight, in their own way. But nooo that is too much work, just caste a female black actor with pink hair to be the fighter pilot and call it diversity and empowering to the females. It is doing the exact opposite.

Wukong as a mythology for Chinese Culture is like Greek mythology for Greece. You can make spins off and branching stories based on it, but you cant just force things into it that does not fit. How would a Greek person feel if the entire pantheon of Olympus is a bunch Asians instead. In a comedy maybe.

THat's a good point.
Well said.

[暴走的小伞]

Liar！Your arent a woke people.How dare you to define your 6 year old child a girl !

[Octavian Giaus]

Diposting pertama kali oleh davidb11:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Octavian Giaus:

There are all types of fools in this world.
I don't want diversity to do surgery on me.
I don't want equity to defend me in a court of law.
I don't want inclusion to design safer airplanes.
xx and xy are that way for a reason. You can not change it.
I do not care one bit about your feelings.
I do not care about your ♥♥♥♥♥♥ preference.
You do you, and leave me alone.
Leave children alone, and know this FA and FO.

Intersex is well documented to exist.
And that's only one of the non xy/xx ones out there. Yes, ♥♥♥ exists as male and female normally, but that's not Gender.
♥♥♥ is not Gender.

Don't insult people who have a genetic disorder, please.

Also, no one is suggesting any of what you claim.
No one is trying to get inclusion to build airplanes.
LOL wut.

It is called a mental disorder.

A genetic disorder is Down syndrome, Cystic fibrosis, Cancer, Diabetes, Heart disease, Albinism, Asthma, Autism, Cleft palate, Alzheimer's, etc.

You do you.

[undefined]

If your children are getting their life lessons from video games and movies, you're not a good parent. I'm sorry but that's just the cold hard truth. It sounds like you're just raising yet another soon to be Disney adult with unrealistic expectations of the world.

Millennials and Zoomers are some of the most miserable people in the world thanks to liberal parenting. The world is not a nice place, so stop lying to your children about it, and stop filling them with false hope. Stop telling them they can be anything they want to be. They're just gonna crash and burn in their 20's and 30's when they find out the truth and discover their huge education has no practical application. Do her a favor and encourage her to do something that she can actually use later in life.

Also what about our sons? They deserve to be excluded because of how things were decades upon decades ago? Nice empathy gap there. I guess that's breeders for you though.

[davidb11]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Octavian Giaus:

Diposting pertama kali oleh davidb11:

Intersex is well documented to exist.
And that's only one of the non xy/xx ones out there. Yes, ♥♥♥ exists as male and female normally, but that's not Gender.
♥♥♥ is not Gender.

Don't insult people who have a genetic disorder, please.

Also, no one is suggesting any of what you claim.
No one is trying to get inclusion to build airplanes.
LOL wut.

It is called a mental disorder.

A genetic disorder is Down syndrome, Cystic fibrosis, Cancer, Diabetes, Heart disease, Albinism, Asthma, Autism, Cleft palate, Alzheimer's, etc.

You do you.

You must be joking.
Literally no one can say Intersex doesn't exist, or it's a mental disorder when IT IS VERY WELL DOCUMENTED FOR OVER 20 YEARS to be a genetic anomaly.
Do you also think that clubbed feet is a mental disorder? :P
Because that's literally as absurd as claiming something related to CHROMOSOMES IS a mental disorder.
Good grief.

Literally, all you have to do is google what Intersex means.
Which is someone who has BOTH genders by complete ACCIDENT. The literal xy/xx chromosomes malfunction!
Sometimes they're referred to as Hermphrodites.

But even House understood it was a physical thing.
Along with many other shows over the last 20 years.
Good grief.
Saying it's a mental disorder is like saying heart disease is in the brain!

Also Alzheimer's is a brain degeneration disease that causes mental issues. So it's both genetic and mental.
My mom and my grandfather both died from it.

[QBEY of GENSOKYO]

Diposting pertama kali oleh davidb11:

IT IS VERY WELL DOCUMENTED FOR OVER 20 YEARS to be a genetic anomaly.

the only thing is needed to know

Anomaly - something that deviates from what is standard, normal, or expected.
Anomalies is NOT a regular behavior and NEVER should be taken as something normal.
Also it's still just a combination of two types and objectively NOT something fundamentally new that can be counted as third type.

[davidb11]

Diposting pertama kali oleh QBEY of GENSOKYO:

Diposting pertama kali oleh davidb11:

IT IS VERY WELL DOCUMENTED FOR OVER 20 YEARS to be a genetic anomaly.

the only thing is needed to know

Anomaly - something that deviates from what is standard, normal, or expected.
Anomalies is NOT a regular behavior and NEVER should be taken as something normal.
Also it's still just a combination of two types and objectively NOT something fundamentally new that can be counted as third type.

I never said it wasn't an anomoly.
It is basically a mixture of both, but it's considered not the same as XX or XY.
It's literally XXY or XYX.
It's super rare, but no one can claim it doesn't exist.

It just boggles my mind why anyone would thing a genetic issue caused by the malfunction of the XX/XY chromosomes is a mental disorder.

I know Down Syndrome is caused by a chromosome malfunction.
So, why would it not be the same for Intersex?

People are also rarely born with a tailbone larger than normal, causing prehensile tails.
Or six fingers, or six toes.
The list goes on and on.

Anomalies exist, they're just rare.

[QBEY of GENSOKYO]

Diposting pertama kali oleh davidb11:

I never said it wasn't an anomoly.
It is basically a mixture of both, but it's considered not the same as XX or XY.
It's literally XXY or XYX.
It's super rare, but no one can claim it doesn't exist.

It just boggles my mind.

I didn't say it doesn't exist. I said that is not normal and not fundamentally new type to be considered as something on its own. No one considered conjoined twins anomaly as a brand new type of human being. It is simply an anomaly caused by the imperfection of natural biological processes, nothing more and nothing less.

[DooHeyKey]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Huckleberry:

I would likely be considered "woke" by many here. I believe that diversity and representation are valuable as goals of their own.

Diversity: In any arena, be it work, school, or on a team, diversity of backgrounds and experiences only brings strength to a group. Having people from different communities in a group broadens the thinking of the group as a whole and, ultimately, will strengthen the result for all.

Representation: I am learning, as my now 6-year-old daughter is growing up, how important this is. I grew up in a family of brothers. We are all white. I never thought about representation. Now, seeing how much my daughter identifies with the female characters in movies and books, I think about it a lot.

Having people that look/act like you in movies, games, books, music, etc. is very powerful and meaningful. I want my daughter to know that she can be anything she wants to be. The way she truly knows that is to see herself in others and learn by example. I believe everyone's sons and daughters should feel like they can be/do anything. I want all people to look at the world and see hope and joy, not fear and shame. Seeing others like you in art/media is a powerful way to create that hope and, therefore, I believe representation is vital to a world I believe most of us want for our children.

All that being said, I now understand why this forum is so filled with Anti-woke threads.

Between the review code embargoes and the ScreenRant review, there is a lot of stuff that is odd here.

I will say that, as much as I believe in what I wrote above, when I got to the part of the ScreenRant review where the author brought up representation I thought, "What?! This is video game based on a Chinese tale about demons, gods, and shape-shifting animagi." It immediately felt weird...even to my liberal brain. Certainly it is not my place to tell someone when or how they should feel represented, but this one felt strange even to me.

Additionally, the list of Do's and Dont's that the publisher game to content creators ahead of release, and have supposedly been confirmed, are also weird. Though, honestly, I still do not know if they are true.

Anyway, just wanted to throw in my two cents and say I can at least understand where the other side is coming from here. Not seeing much of that sentiment and thought the forum could use it.

Thanks.

Thank you for sharing your thoughtful perspective on diversity and representation. Your insights on the value of diverse experiences in diverse settings are well-founded and appreciated.

Representation in media and literature is undoubtedly crucial, as it can significantly impact people's self-esteem and possibility. Your experience with your daughter underscores the importance of seeing oneself reflected in the media.

However, I would like to address a concern regarding recent review and publication directives. There seems to be a growing trend to alter classic stories to fit current expectations of representation. While inclusivity is vital, changing established narratives can sometimes detract from the essence and authenticity of the original work.

Classic stories, whether they include diversity or not, have endured over time because they resonate with people on a fundamental level. Altering these stories to meet contemporary standards can undermine their original intent and diminish their impact. Such changes often result in a product that feels less genuine and less enjoyable to those who value the original work.

Rather than modifying classic narratives, it would be more effective to create new stories and games that incorporate diversity from the ground up. This approach ensures that new works can reflect modern values ​​while respecting the integrity of timeless classics. By preserving the original stories as they are, we honor their historical and cultural importance, while contributing to a broader, more inclusive landscape with new creations.

Thank you once again for participating in this important discussion. Your perspective brings valuable depth to our understanding of how we balance respect for classic works with the need for inclusion.

Thanks.

[davidb11]

Diposting pertama kali oleh QBEY of GENSOKYO:

Diposting pertama kali oleh davidb11:

I never said it wasn't an anomoly.
It is basically a mixture of both, but it's considered not the same as XX or XY.
It's literally XXY or XYX.
It's super rare, but no one can claim it doesn't exist.

It just boggles my mind.

I didn't say it doesn't exist. I said that is not normal and not fundamentally new type to be considered as something on its own. No one considered conjoined twins anomaly as a brand new type of human being. It is simply an anomaly caused by the imperfection of natural biological processes, nothing more and nothing less.

I was talking about the other guy.
Not you.
Sorry for that.

He was saying it was a mental disorder, I.e it wasn't real.

And all I know is it's still listed at XXY or XYX.
Because it's both by accident.

So, it's not a brand new species or something, it's just one of the weird genetic quirks humans have.

And they're also sterile, IIRC.

[Xeromus]

You would think that if diversity was such a blessing, there would be a slew of examples to point to by now rather than flop after flop of broken, forgettable games. We don't even have to touch the wonders that diversity has done for things like, say, the crime rates of every first world country.

Diversity sucks, and the only reason it gets pushed on companies is because study after study has shown that diversified employees are less likely to cooperate and unionize, keeping wages and job security low.