I am "Woke" and I Get the Reaction Here

[Huckleberry]

I would likely be considered "woke" by many here. I believe that diversity and representation are valuable as goals of their own.

Diversity: In any arena, be it work, school, or on a team, diversity of backgrounds and experiences only brings strength to a group. Having people from different communities in a group broadens the thinking of the group as a whole and, ultimately, will strengthen the result for all.

Representation: I am learning, as my now 6-year-old daughter is growing up, how important this is. I grew up in a family of brothers. We are all white. I never thought about representation. Now, seeing how much my daughter identifies with the female characters in movies and books, I think about it a lot.

Having people that look/act like you in movies, games, books, music, etc. is very powerful and meaningful. I want my daughter to know that she can be anything she wants to be. The way she truly knows that is to see herself in others and learn by example. I believe everyone's sons and daughters should feel like they can be/do anything. I want all people to look at the world and see hope and joy, not fear and shame. Seeing others like you in art/media is a powerful way to create that hope and, therefore, I believe representation is vital to a world I believe most of us want for our children.

All that being said, I now understand why this forum is so filled with Anti-woke threads.

Between the review code embargoes and the ScreenRant review, there is a lot of stuff that is odd here.

I will say that, as much as I believe in what I wrote above, when I got to the part of the ScreenRant review where the author brought up representation I thought, "What?! This is video game based on a Chinese tale about demons, gods, and shape-shifting animagi." It immediately felt weird...even to my liberal brain. Certainly it is not my place to tell someone when or how they should feel represented, but this one felt strange even to me.

Additionally, the list of Do's and Dont's that the publisher game to content creators ahead of release, and have supposedly been confirmed, are also weird. Though, honestly, I still do not know if they are true.

Anyway, just wanted to throw in my two cents and say I can at least understand where the other side is coming from here. Not seeing much of that sentiment and thought the forum could use it.

Thanks.

[dkindig729]

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[LuanBlackFlag]

No one wants this Woke DEI Bs in games

[MacArthur]

I am anti-woke and i dont get why people would go and buy something just to spite american woke people.

fast forward 1 month and people will understand how they fell for marketing hype into purchasing something mediocre.

Its the same with marvel movies, deadpool vs wolverine is mediocre flick, but just because other marvel movies were garbage in last years everyone running to watch the new one multiple times only because its somewhat watchable and proclaiming it as the greatest movie of all times

[⎛⎝Deathman⎠⎞]

go away , troll

[Double]

I never care about any of the politics. If it's a good game, it's a good game.

[ToMiBriX]

Inclusion of a monkey as the hero. What do you WANT MORE?

[JungHeinz]

Sorry, sir, (or better say don't worry) but you are not woke. Not at all.

Woke = weird hysterical woman/young girl, intentionally ugly with bizarre hair colour and new identity every two hours shouting propaganda slogans someone else stated but unable to think about them.
Or black woman (real case, one of the writers SW: High Republic crap) shouting - not presenting - her speech with so much true and real hatred, and using phrases we all should consider actually dangerous.
I studied history and read Goebbels speeches - it was the same rhetoric, only Jews were swapped for white males. And she got official support of LucasArts when opposition arose while the actress from Mandalorian lost her job for stating, moderately and without naming, well, the truth based on many historical events in cyclically repeating history.
Or men flagellating themselves for being men, even worse white - so "privileged" and toxic by default... and all those names I hate for their meaning they have now and the oversimplification they provide
Or white people no matter of gender grovel before random black neighbours - still I am not sure what role was more embarrassing and disgraceful. But I am sure I'd be so ashamed being one of those black people and experiencing this.

Original meaning of "woke" is already lost in translation so even if you feel like you need your own category, woke is not The One And Only (funny, the movement fighting against categorization has created the most complex, nonsensical and confusing categories-monster. So big and abstract all public servants of every country can only envy and dream about it.)
And even though it had positive effects at first, it's gotten crazy and absurd on its way.

As everything. Because humans. We never change. We are dumb by default. Not talking about IQ with percentile of stupid and retarded only circa 25% but our ability to think and self-analyse sources. SMS writing as the only length of continuous text most younger people can read and comprehend. And everything quick, colourful, hectically trimmed and cut, and causing intentional chaos my brain can't catch. And most importantly - short.
Following trends as always, I've just recently found out there is even the shortcut for "too long, I am not reading it" (as the answer to my novel of course :D)
No time to lose time.

This mentality and loss of critical thinking make current public scene basically a playground for populists, radicals, ideological or cult leaders or, as they are called now, influencers - dumb as sheep with head trauma but actually influencing masses. With everyone with at least half of brain cell to be able to turn PC on and set up camera/microphone. Masses of young and dumb or old and dumb puppets waiting for their master. Just give them slogan, common agenda, strength in masses, theme, flag and, in the most simplistic way possible to ensure they'd understand, enemy, and you have your own cult or movement in a glimpse of time.

As usual and with everything, woke community is represented not by people moderate, logical, with the ability to think critically and without exaggerated emotions, but by those too dumb to think twice (or to think at all) but very loud. Not people like you (and many more, majority even as difficult to believe as it is. Like my female friends who suddenly, in an unbelievably short time turned from feminists into men-serving women and betrayers, in the eyes of lousy minority. But without any change in their views.)

Aggression leads only to aggression. The more absurd and idiotic hateful spits and childish whine of woke cretins, the more angriness and radicalisation on all sides (we don't have just two sided range anymore, unfortunately. Dangerous chaos, not far-left to far-right anymore but populistic hotchpotch with cheap slogans).

Hysterical and furious SJWs are one of the major reasons their opponents are getting more furious and hateful (especially those who are targeted). And most importantly, this culture of rage leads a lot of moderate "centrists" to the extremes of their choice.
Like many shy boys and young men turning into incels as awkward as it is - but now, they don't feel awkward at all.

New male generation don't have role models in traditional media like TV (or streaming platforms now) or in mainstream games (and lots of indies - last time I deleted game from Netflix for mobiles when cartoon box-bear on wheelchair told me right after basic introduction that it is... not bipolar, that's different disorder. Bi-gender? Sorry, I can't remember now. Anyway - why? I didn't care about its gender, I mean, it was cartoon box with bear face and wheels I didn't even think it had gender.)

The most common mainstream male characters are society-fearing weirdoes unable to talk with girls without stuttering, who are casually mocked by them... they are Jar Jars of woke cinematography. Often the only male non-gay (and white) characters allowed in entertainment except for white male enemy and main villain.
Or boys so okay with their emotions they are basically only emotions. Proud to cry, having long and useless talks about their feelings over non-alco cocktails or having hysterical breakdowns, finally not afraid to show fear or say "No, I can't do it I am too weak and fragile for it" without being considered ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. No, teen male role models now are proud of being afraid and basically stating they are useless and so sensitive or scared to even try.

Boys in mainstream tv are better girlfriends for girls than their actual girl-friends or gay friends. But in reality, boys with functional testosterone production are still getting born and have normal puberty, and without any fictional role model to follow they turn to social media and find their mentors in Andrew Tate-likes.
The feel of injustice mixed with confusion and deep rage, especially if experiencing this woke radicalism at school from adults or in first interactions with opposite gender = great material for bigotry of any kind.

That's why I don't like "woke" word - it's degrading and very negative now. Meaning aggressive agenda and irrational hysterical cries of very sad and pitiful women. And very masochistic, guilt-overwhelmed men. And very confused other genders.
That's ok, this is how languages work. Words are evolving and changing its meaning based on political and societal culture. But in this "sensitive" cases and seeing how society is turning radical and pretty angry, I'd be rather cautious and follow recent meanings being you (or being me or any person living in society of any kind). People listen only to keywords. They see/hear woke, conservative, lgb... and get instantly triggered.

Ok, and as far as I can see, this is "too long to read" material. Sorry. I am old fashioned and still remember writing letters. :D

[Linfried]

What I get from you "woke" people is that you don't care about the rights of anybody else. Ever heard of Freedom of Speech? I have never heard of Freedom to be Gay, though!

[Nurion]

Originally posted by Huckleberry:

I would likely be considered "woke" by many here. I believe that diversity and representation are valuable as goals of their own.

Diversity: In any arena, be it work, school, or on a team, diversity of backgrounds and experiences only brings strength to a group. Having people from different communities in a group broadens the thinking of the group as a whole and, ultimately, will strengthen the result for all.

Representation: I am learning, as my now 6-year-old daughter is growing up, how important this is. I grew up in a family of brothers. We are all white. I never thought about representation. Now, seeing how much my daughter identifies with the female characters in movies and books, I think about it a lot.

Having people that look/act like you in movies, games, books, music, etc. is very powerful and meaningful. I want my daughter to know that she can be anything she wants to be. The way she truly knows that is to see herself in others and learn by example. I believe everyone's sons and daughters should feel like they can be/do anything. I want all people to look at the world and see hope and joy, not fear and shame. Seeing others like you in art/media is a powerful way to create that hope and, therefore, I believe representation is vital to a world I believe most of us want for our children.

All that being said, I now understand why this forum is so filled with Anti-woke threads.

Between the review code embargoes and the ScreenRant review, there is a lot of stuff that is odd here.

I will say that, as much as I believe in what I wrote above, when I got to the part of the ScreenRant review where the author brought up representation I thought, "What?! This is video game based on a Chinese tale about demons, gods, and shape-shifting animagi." It immediately felt weird...even to my liberal brain. Certainly it is not my place to tell someone when or how they should feel represented, but this one felt strange even to me.

Additionally, the list of Do's and Dont's that the publisher game to content creators ahead of release, and have supposedly been confirmed, are also weird. Though, honestly, I still do not know if they are true.

Anyway, just wanted to throw in my two cents and say I can at least understand where the other side is coming from here. Not seeing much of that sentiment and thought the forum could use it.

Thanks.

Get a life 😂 go interact with people in the real world instead of identifying with some nonsense and crying about not being able to have your anti social nonsense in a video game and posting an essay on a forum with your frustration, you need Jesus, pray, go to church, it's not "powerful and meaningful" having friends and having an actual life is powerful and meaningful not being some weird twink with mental health problems and no friends

[(DS) Relic]

DEI surgeon...DEI pilot..DEI lawyer....no thanks

[JungHeinz]

Originally posted by Nurion:

Get a life 😂 go interact with people in the real world instead of identifying with some nonsense and crying about not being able to have your anti social nonsense in a video game and posting an essay on a forum with your frustration, you need Jesus, pray, go to church, it's not "powerful and meaningful" having friends and having an actual life is powerful and meaningful not being some weird twink with mental health problems and no friends

You are not very good at reading, aren't you? I know, literacy is pretty advanced skill, lots of levelling and grinding and no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ option to pay for fast progress. Try crpg instead of Call of Duty next time.

[Hanabi]

I have a few return questions for the original poster. But I don't mind other engagement too.


1. What right do we have to take a work of Chinese Culture and make it adhere to our standard of morality?

2. How do you think Chinese people would feel if they finally got a game exploring their mythology respectfully, and they where stuck playing as an outsider far from the story originally being told?

3: How dis-empowering is it to have some westerners on an imaginary moral high horse trying to tell you that your culture is wrong and not diverse?

4: How would you feel, if in the name of diversity, your real world kind was represented as some kind of animal demon that in its original context symbolized some kind of vice?

5: How would you feel as a Chinese person if one of the gods of your culture was turned into a gay, black, transsexual for the sake of some outsiders sensitivities because they refuse to see anything that isn't specifically their culture?

[Kain]

I believe inclusivity has its place in games, just need to be done right.

[Drake Ravenwolf]

Its like the difference between theoretical communism and actual examples of it being implemented - sounds nice in theory, but in practice? Its terrible

[Potches]

Originally posted by ToMiBriX:

Inclusion of a monkey as the hero. What do you WANT MORE?

WhAt AbOUt BoDy tYpE b? (with an anime pfp)