IGN is manipulating the win rate of Wukong in its community Face-Off

[xuzi]

IGN started a face-off for goty on its website, and it manually lowered the win rate of Wukong because Wukong reached Top 1, which was not the result they want.

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The first time IGN posted results on X was Sep 18th. Before that, Wukong was the 4th, and suddently the Astro's score rose fast, making Wukong out of the Top 4. Then IGN quickly posted "the best 4" on X, saying "Final Fantasy VII Rebirth is still the IGN community's top game of 2024, with Shadow of the Erdtree, Helldivers 2, and Astro Bot not far behind. "

After the tweet, people started to notice this face-off voting, more and more players joined the voting. Wukong's score rose continuously and reached the top yesterday, with a win rate around 90%.

However, IGN posted "the result" agian at 12:30 today, with the same information in their first tweet. People started to questioning them on X with the screenshots, since Wukong should be 1st at this moment.

Then, instead of deleting the vote this time, IGN chose to manually adjust the data at the backend. Wukong's win rate was 90.4% at around 16:00 (CST, UTC+8), and it fell down extremely fast to 74% at 17:40, meanwhile, Astro's and Elden Ring's data rose fast.
At 18:30, Wukong's rate fell to 70% and it became 3rd, while Elden Ring DLC became the 1st.

I guess IGN simply cannot tolerate the existence of a world, where many people love BlackMyth Wukong.

[Giganx]

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It's PSNProfiles, the site is plenty trustworthy.

And also, all the stuff about streamers and twitch views is irrelevant. Those are a bad way to judge the quality of a game.

Also, not denying that Wukong sold well and has a lot of hours played. The vast majority of that is Chinese gamers supporting it because it's Chinese, though.

So you have no evidence to prove that Wukong's vote count was artificially inflated, nor can you explain the abnormal decrease in Wukong's vote count and the abnormal increase in vote count in other games, and at the same time, you have closed the voting link? Is it all subjective speculation and deep belief in IGN? Can I reasonably suspect that you are LGBT? I don't have any evidence either, but you are not allowed to refute it, just like what you are doing. Is the robot against you?
Unfortunately, the entire process of IGN's control was recorded, which is irrefutable evidence. What about Chinese users? How much would your beloved game lose sales without Chinese users? The proportion of Chinese players in the game Sekiro is 40.6/100. Don't think there is any difference between Chinese players and you, the China you know is just the "China" that the media wants you to know

The claim that Wukongs vote count was artificially inflated is something you have to prove. Where's your proof that IGN added those votes and they weren't from gamers?

The only thing the numbers prove is that a lot of votes came in. If you need a theory on why Wukongs percentage went down dramatically, a spam purge is the most logical explanation. The idea that IGN would have to submit fake votes to impact it's own poll is nonsense; if IGN wanted Wukong to lose they could've made it lose immediately.

[xuzi]

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I explained part of the data not all of them, and no details and extact numbers in my original post, because that needs images. And I told you already you can find all the records on X and reddit, don't you know how to use X and reddit or don't you know how to search? If you have time to imagine for so longtime, you have time to check the real data. The only reason you didn't go to check the data is because you don't dare to see the reality.

And IGN is indeed DUMB.
The only reason you don't what to admit this is because you have the same mindset with IGN and you need to fight for your baby FFVII.

Again, this is your argument; I'm not going to do your research for you; if it's that easy to find then do your own work. Otherwise they're irrelevant.

And again, FFVII Rebirth is now losing to Elden Ring and I'm not being a baby about it and saying IGN is cheating. You're the one who's having a tantrum because Wukong fell behind after a spam purge.

I have done my own research and I told you that it is not bot purge.
From your first post in this thread, you are accusing without any detailed data and proof, only with prejudice and pure imagination.
The fact is that no bot purge will lower the win rate and raise the total number of duel at the same time, at that large scale and in that short period of time. The only possibility is IGN adding a large number negative duels to Wukong directly.

I have seen the changing data in real time in the past hours and I'm not the only one, People on X and reddit who have seen the data all think IGN was cheating. Maybe everyone is a baby except you, because we make our judgement on real data, while you make yours based on your imagination of IGN.

[AYWCMOEX]

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nah. Not trush-worthy. And you couldn't quote any single valid IGN review of it as it is a non existent attributes and it is irrelevant to GOTY quality. And you intentionally skipped reply me Sekiro stuff. Twitch 177 views now, Steam chart show its peak and total hours played are far less than Wukong

It's PSNProfiles, the site is plenty trustworthy.

And also, all the stuff about streamers and twitch views is irrelevant. Those are a bad way to judge the quality of a game.

Also, not denying that Wukong sold well and has a lot of hours played. The vast majority of that is Chinese gamers supporting it because it's Chinese, though.

Wukong's sales have exceeded 20 million, and there are still 5 million sales excluding China sales. This does not include non Chinese users who cross regions to purchase in China, which still crushes the sales of your favorite games (including Chinese players). Therefore, with so many users, IGN's vote count is only tens of thousands because China uses robots? China will not engage in the consumption of 1.6 billion US dollars to smear others and exaggerate itself. In Chinese thinking, money should be spent on construction, rather than endless lies, because once lies are exposed, any words spoken will lose credibility.

[Giganx]

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Again, this is your argument; I'm not going to do your research for you; if it's that easy to find then do your own work. Otherwise they're irrelevant.

And again, FFVII Rebirth is now losing to Elden Ring and I'm not being a baby about it and saying IGN is cheating. You're the one who's having a tantrum because Wukong fell behind after a spam purge.

I have done my own research and I told you that it is not bot purge.
From your first post in this thread, you are accusing without any detailed data and proof, only with prejudice and pure imagination.
The fact is that no bot purge will lower the win rate and rose the total number of duel at the same time, at that large scale and in that short period of time. The only possibility is IGN adding a large number negative duels to Wukong directly.

I have seen the changing data in real time in the past hours and I'm not the only one, People on X and reddit who have seen the data all think IGN was cheating. Maybe everyone is a baby except you, because we make our judgement on real data, while you make yours based on your imagination of IGN.

The information you've provided doesn't prove what you're saying. It only proves that a lot of votes came in and Wukong lost first place.

Your theory is that IGN wants Wukong to lose, but apparently didn't realize that they can directly control the results of a poll on their website, so instead just submitted a bunch of fake votes to their own site. It's so ridiculous I doubt you actually believe it.

My theory is that they did the same kind of spam purge that every open online poll needs to do. That makes more sense.

[AYWCMOEX]

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So you have no evidence to prove that Wukong's vote count was artificially inflated, nor can you explain the abnormal decrease in Wukong's vote count and the abnormal increase in vote count in other games, and at the same time, you have closed the voting link? Is it all subjective speculation and deep belief in IGN? Can I reasonably suspect that you are LGBT? I don't have any evidence either, but you are not allowed to refute it, just like what you are doing. Is the robot against you?
Unfortunately, the entire process of IGN's control was recorded, which is irrefutable evidence. What about Chinese users? How much would your beloved game lose sales without Chinese users? The proportion of Chinese players in the game Sekiro is 40.6/100. Don't think there is any difference between Chinese players and you, the China you know is just the "China" that the media wants you to know

The claim that Wukongs vote count was artificially inflated is something you have to prove. Where's your proof that IGN added those votes and they weren't from gamers?

The only thing the numbers prove is that a lot of votes came in. If you need a theory on why Wukongs percentage went down dramatically, a spam purge is the most logical explanation. The idea that IGN would have to submit fake votes to impact it's own poll is nonsense; if IGN wanted Wukong to lose they could've made it lose immediately.

So how do you prove that the votes have been exaggerated? If you raise a question, you should provide evidence. Can your law suspect a person of committing a crime and imprison them without evidence?

[yyjihy]

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It's quite amusing that someone who only played 16 hours of "Black Myth: Wukong" but over 4000 hours of "Final Fantasy" claims to give an objective review. It's hard to believe this person is entirely free of personal feelings. Please check various online communities for the reviews on "Black Myth: Wukong," and don’t forget the 96% positive rating on Steam. Don’t tell me it's all bots; only people who bought the game can comment. And as for the bot farms, just cut the sarcasm.How can you say that the performance visuals exceed "Black Myth: Wukong"? The art style is completely different! In just 16 hours of gameplay, how much can you really see? It's total nonsense—just take your bias and go to sleep.

Like I said earlier, I'm a console gamer and do most gaming on PS5. Steam mostly just gets used for FFXIV. I've played through Wukong multiple times.

And the bot farm comment is for open polls. You don't need to own the game to vote for GoTY.

As for steam reviews, that's mostly Chinese gamers voting for it because it's a Chinese game. China is 100% the driving force behind Wukongs success, and a lot of it has to do with nationalism. Not that it's an issue, but the steam reviews aren't a good reflection of the game's quality; they're just a reflection of how much Chinese people "love" China.

Brought so many games in steam and console player? Why dont use console controller connect to PC then? Who will believe your fake bs?
And you couldn't quote any single valid IGN review of it as it is a non existent attributes and it is irrelevant to GOTY quality. And you intentionally skipped reply me Sekiro stuff. Twitch 177 views now, Steam chart show its peak and total hours played are far less than Wukong

[yosvenyoong]

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I have done my own research and I told you that it is not bot purge.
From your first post in this thread, you are accusing without any detailed data and proof, only with prejudice and pure imagination.
The fact is that no bot purge will lower the win rate and rose the total number of duel at the same time, at that large scale and in that short period of time. The only possibility is IGN adding a large number negative duels to Wukong directly.

I have seen the changing data in real time in the past hours and I'm not the only one, People on X and reddit who have seen the data all think IGN was cheating. Maybe everyone is a baby except you, because we make our judgement on real data, while you make yours based on your imagination of IGN.

The information you've provided doesn't prove what you're saying. It only proves that a lot of votes came in and Wukong lost first place.

Your theory is that IGN wants Wukong to lose, but apparently didn't realize that they can directly control the results of a poll on their website, so instead just submitted a bunch of fake votes to their own site. It's so ridiculous I doubt you actually believe it.

My theory is that they did the same kind of spam purge that every open online poll needs to do. That makes more sense.

Bro, do you know what you look like? You’re like an actor hired by IGN, desperately defending their fabricated data.

If you were a genuine gamer, there’s no way you’d praise IGN and criticize *Black Myth* to this illogical extent. Among real gamers who actually pay to play, how many do you think still trust IGN? IGN’s credibility has fallen so far, and your desperate attempts to dress it up aren’t going to change that. Have you even considered the root of why so many people doubt IGN’s credibility? The way you argue and the direction you take are all about defending IGN’s data manipulation. Aren’t you just acting?

And let’s set aside whether *Black Myth* is a masterpiece for now. It’s definitely an outstanding game, especially in a year like 2024 when the output of AAA games is low. Whether it wins Game of the Year, I don’t know, but it’s definitely worthy of a nomination. At first, you pointed out objective issues like the lack of map guidance and invisible walls, which is reasonable. But when you started attacking it for having a shallow story and poor combat pacing, that’s when you gave yourself away.

Plus, based on your other responses, it’s obvious you don’t really care whether *Elden Ring* or *Final Fantasy VII Remake* wins first place. What you care about is that *Black Myth* dropping in rank isn’t controlled by IGN.

Someone who doesn’t care about which game takes first place but only cares about whether IGN’s reputation is damaged—you expect me to believe you’re a gamer and not an actor? Who’s going to believe that?

If you can’t shake off the suspicion of being an actor, then stop coming out to defend your boss IGN with pointless arguments. No one’s going to hate IGN any less because of your illogical analysis.

[Giganx]

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Escrito originalmente por Giganx:

It's PSNProfiles, the site is plenty trustworthy.

And also, all the stuff about streamers and twitch views is irrelevant. Those are a bad way to judge the quality of a game.

Also, not denying that Wukong sold well and has a lot of hours played. The vast majority of that is Chinese gamers supporting it because it's Chinese, though.

Wukong's sales have exceeded 20 million, and there are still 5 million sales excluding China sales. This does not include non Chinese users who cross regions to purchase in China, which still crushes the sales of your favorite games (including Chinese players). Therefore, with so many users, IGN's vote count is only tens of thousands because China uses robots? China will not engage in the consumption of 1.6 billion US dollars to smear others and exaggerate itself. In Chinese thinking, money should be spent on construction, rather than endless lies, because once lies are exposed, any words spoken will lose credibility.

It was a multiplatform AAA release; 5 million is nothing amazing. FFXVI was an exclusive and sold 7 million. Without China Wukong has had a modest reception at best.

As for IGN's open polling, botting is pretty much a guarantee. The point is that IGN was going to have to do it spam purge at some point and I'm honestly not surprised that Wukong was the most heavily impacted by it.

[xuzi]

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So you have no evidence to prove that Wukong's vote count was artificially inflated, nor can you explain the abnormal decrease in Wukong's vote count and the abnormal increase in vote count in other games, and at the same time, you have closed the voting link? Is it all subjective speculation and deep belief in IGN? Can I reasonably suspect that you are LGBT? I don't have any evidence either, but you are not allowed to refute it, just like what you are doing. Is the robot against you?
Unfortunately, the entire process of IGN's control was recorded, which is irrefutable evidence. What about Chinese users? How much would your beloved game lose sales without Chinese users? The proportion of Chinese players in the game Sekiro is 40.6/100. Don't think there is any difference between Chinese players and you, the China you know is just the "China" that the media wants you to know

The claim that Wukongs vote count was artificially inflated is something you have to prove. Where's your proof that IGN added those votes and they weren't from gamers?

The only thing the numbers prove is that a lot of votes came in. If you need a theory on why Wukongs percentage went down dramatically, a spam purge is the most logical explanation. The idea that IGN would have to submit fake votes to impact it's own poll is nonsense; if IGN wanted Wukong to lose they could've made it lose immediately.

The claim that there is bot purge is something that you have to prove.
The only reason you can give is what I wrote in the original post, that the win rate of Wukong went down dramatically fast. But the dramatical decrease can be caused by different reasons, bot purging is not the only possibility, and also there are evidences against the hypothesis of "bot purging".

Your argument is not enough and not solid to prove your accusing of bot purging, you make this judgement based on your prejudice and your "belief" that IGN will not cheat, either of these two reasons is subjective feeling and thoughts, and can not be taken as "proof". If you want to claim there is bot and the data changing is caused by bot purging, go find the proof in data screenshots and data recordings, go ahead.

[Giganx]

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Like I said earlier, I'm a console gamer and do most gaming on PS5. Steam mostly just gets used for FFXIV. I've played through Wukong multiple times.

And the bot farm comment is for open polls. You don't need to own the game to vote for GoTY.

As for steam reviews, that's mostly Chinese gamers voting for it because it's a Chinese game. China is 100% the driving force behind Wukongs success, and a lot of it has to do with nationalism. Not that it's an issue, but the steam reviews aren't a good reflection of the game's quality; they're just a reflection of how much Chinese people "love" China.

Brought so many games in steam and console player? Why dont use console controller connect to PC then? Who will believe your fake bs?
And you couldn't quote any single valid IGN review of it as it is a non existent attributes and it is irrelevant to GOTY quality. And you intentionally skipped reply me Sekiro stuff. Twitch 177 views now, Steam chart show its peak and total hours played are far less than Wukong

Showed you my PSNProfile.

I also buy some games on steam because I like to play around with them on my Laptop at work. At home I prefer to play on PS5, though.

And no idea what you mean about quoting a valid IGN review. IGN's Wukong review specifically was very fair.

[AYWCMOEX]

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Wukong's sales have exceeded 20 million, and there are still 5 million sales excluding China sales. This does not include non Chinese users who cross regions to purchase in China, which still crushes the sales of your favorite games (including Chinese players). Therefore, with so many users, IGN's vote count is only tens of thousands because China uses robots? China will not engage in the consumption of 1.6 billion US dollars to smear others and exaggerate itself. In Chinese thinking, money should be spent on construction, rather than endless lies, because once lies are exposed, any words spoken will lose credibility.

It was a multiplatform AAA release; 5 million is nothing amazing. FFXVI was an exclusive and sold 7 million. Without China Wukong has had a modest reception at best.

As for IGN's open polling, botting is pretty much a guarantee. The point is that IGN was going to have to do it spam purge at some point and I'm honestly not surprised that Wukong was the most heavily impacted by it.

So you don't know that WUKONG's sales of 20 million did not include the sales of PS5 players

[Giganx]

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Bro, do you know what you look like? You’re like an actor hired by IGN, desperately defending their fabricated data.

If you were a genuine gamer, there’s no way you’d praise IGN and criticize *Black Myth* to this illogical extent. Among real gamers who actually pay to play, how many do you think still trust IGN? IGN’s credibility has fallen so far, and your desperate attempts to dress it up aren’t going to change that. Have you even considered the root of why so many people doubt IGN’s credibility? The way you argue and the direction you take are all about defending IGN’s data manipulation. Aren’t you just acting?

And let’s set aside whether *Black Myth* is a masterpiece for now. It’s definitely an outstanding game, especially in a year like 2024 when the output of AAA games is low. Whether it wins Game of the Year, I don’t know, but it’s definitely worthy of a nomination. At first, you pointed out objective issues like the lack of map guidance and invisible walls, which is reasonable. But when you started attacking it for having a shallow story and poor combat pacing, that’s when you gave yourself away.

Plus, based on your other responses, it’s obvious you don’t really care whether *Elden Ring* or *Final Fantasy VII Remake* wins first place. What you care about is that *Black Myth* dropping in rank isn’t controlled by IGN.

Someone who doesn’t care about which game takes first place but only cares about whether IGN’s reputation is damaged—you expect me to believe you’re a gamer and not an actor? Who’s going to believe that?

If you can’t shake off the suspicion of being an actor, then stop coming out to defend your boss IGN with pointless arguments. No one’s going to hate IGN any less because of your illogical analysis.

If you all were providing proof, or even a logically consistent argument, that IGN was intentionally burying Wukong then I'd give you some credit.

The idea that IGN would have to submit fake votes to THEIR OWN WEBSITE to manipulate THEIR POLL is incredibly stupid, though. If they wanted Wukong to lose it would've never been first place to begin with. Use your heads.

You just all wanted Wukong to be GoTY, you were glad that IGN was getting spammed and you're mad that IGN removed the spam.

[Giganx]

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It was a multiplatform AAA release; 5 million is nothing amazing. FFXVI was an exclusive and sold 7 million. Without China Wukong has had a modest reception at best.

As for IGN's open polling, botting is pretty much a guarantee. The point is that IGN was going to have to do it spam purge at some point and I'm honestly not surprised that Wukong was the most heavily impacted by it.

So you don't know that WUKONG's sales of 20 million did not include the sales of PS5 players

Only 20% of Wukongs sales were outside of China. PS5 numbers probably wouldn't even bring it up to 6million.

[AYWCMOEX]

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Brought so many games in steam and console player? Why dont use console controller connect to PC then? Who will believe your fake bs?
And you couldn't quote any single valid IGN review of it as it is a non existent attributes and it is irrelevant to GOTY quality. And you intentionally skipped reply me Sekiro stuff. Twitch 177 views now, Steam chart show its peak and total hours played are far less than Wukong

Showed you my PSNProfile.

I also buy some games on steam because I like to play around with them on my Laptop at work. At home I prefer to play on PS5, though.

And no idea what you mean about quoting a valid IGN review. IGN's Wukong review specifically was very fair.

So you ignored that this is already the 16th generation of Final Fantasy? Do you not consider accumulating fans? Hahaha, can you ask how many Chinese users Sony has

[yyjihy]

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So you don't know that WUKONG's sales of 20 million did not include the sales of PS5 players

Only 20% of Wukongs sales were outside of China. PS5 numbers probably wouldn't even bring it up to 6million.

20% for a month >>> Sekiro and ER initial launch. ANd you still cant explain Sekiro active? Active how? Peak <<< Wukong and total play time <<< Wukong