I can't beat the Whiteclad Noble

[amanwing]

Im 45, and it seems like I’m too old for this game. I beat Elden Ring and its expansion, as well as Dark Souls 1-3, because during the hardest parts, I could summon help or level up a bit more. But this dual-phase boss just seems too hard for me. I guess I could try another 30 times or so and eventually get it, but the sad part is that it's no longer fun for me to keep trying over and over again. Since I get no feeling for the doge system like in the Friome Software games. It all feels so strange and random for me. So, I think I’ll just delete the game. What's also frustrating is that none of the media I usually read mentioned anything about the game being like this, at least not in the reviews I follow. Just wanted to share this for others to read before they buy.

[Kryten]

Originally posted by Phobos:

Originally posted by redhongkong:

dont spam attack buttons

Learn this early and suffer much less later. Also teach yourself how the ability actually work and how to properly trigger them e.g. "seeing through".

See what tools you have and which ones works together towards more of a chance. Don't just ZOMG on start of the fight and throw down your entire hand of cards, learn to keep trump cards.

For example transform later in the fight etc etc.

Not having much problems with difficulty here so far, but this one...the "seeing through" thing is something I have not really understood how it should work. I don't see if it happens or not (probably not then?) and I am really not sure how it is supposed to work.

[psytic]

Originally posted by amanwing:

Im 45, and it seems like I’m too old for this game. I beat Elden Ring and its expansion, as well as Dark Souls 1-3, because during the hardest parts, I could summon help or level up a bit more. But this dual-phase boss just seems too hard for me. I guess I could try another 30 times or so and eventually get it, but the sad part is that it's no longer fun for me to keep trying over and over again. Since I get no feeling for the doge system like in the Friome Software games. It all feels so strange and random for me. So, I think I’ll just delete the game. What's also frustrating is that none of the media I usually read mentioned anything about the game being like this, at least not in the reviews I follow. Just wanted to share this for others to read before they buy.

What I did was max out HP / reduce stamina when dodging and sprinting and get down to unlocking deft evasion in the skill tree ie all stuff to improve my defence and drink a defence potion. Seemed to work. The transformation I just spammed the Y attack. Found the spear easier to dodge by being closer to him and circling around him. I didnt try to punish or go to hard until my stun was up.

[redhongkong]

Originally posted by Kryten:

Originally posted by Phobos:

Learn this early and suffer much less later. Also teach yourself how the ability actually work and how to properly trigger them e.g. "seeing through".

See what tools you have and which ones works together towards more of a chance. Don't just ZOMG on start of the fight and throw down your entire hand of cards, learn to keep trump cards.

For example transform later in the fight etc etc.

Not having much problems with difficulty here so far, but this one...the "seeing through" thing is something I have not really understood how it should work. I don't see if it happens or not (probably not then?) and I am really not sure how it is supposed to work.

check out my replay file 6mins mark u will find me practicing "resolute counter+skyfall" on cyan loong
note that thunder grenade doesnt trigger dmg on lightning part. it deal dmg on ground explosion. took me 2 tries to find the timing on my resolute counter
i also got hit by his tail twice before i start countering his tail
https://youtube.com/live/JVOiijjAYQ4

[Phobos]

Originally posted by Kryten:

Originally posted by Phobos:

Learn this early and suffer much less later. Also teach yourself how the ability actually work and how to properly trigger them e.g. "seeing through".

See what tools you have and which ones works together towards more of a chance. Don't just ZOMG on start of the fight and throw down your entire hand of cards, learn to keep trump cards.

For example transform later in the fight etc etc.

Not having much problems with difficulty here so far, but this one...the "seeing through" thing is something I have not really understood how it should work. I don't see if it happens or not (probably not then?) and I am really not sure how it is supposed to work.

It's a timing thing:
Basically you start a light attack, and then when you would normally perfect parry (in other games) or perfect dodge in this game, you press the button for a heavy attack. However, this will only work if you have at least 1x focus point to go. This is how I understood it.

[Kryten]

In fact, I watched that earlier because I saw the post in another thread. To be honest, I was not able to tell when you "see through" him and when not, so it did not help aa lot for me to understand how its working :/

EDIT: thanks for the explanation. Question: If I start with light attack, am I not locked into the animations of that combo? Will that cancel and do the heavy/parry attack when done in the right moment?

[Zogtar]

To add:

White clad is an input-reading boss that tries to teach you patience.

Everytime you act, he acts.

Round 2, when his moveset changes... you have to learn how to bait attacks.

From there, you have to stun him if you want free attacks or combos. Heavy jump attacks are VERY useful against him from what I remember.

It's imperative to consider waiting a boss out while your cooldowns are running, spacing out dodges and an attack here and there.. and playing defensively vs offensively until you get the rhythm down.

Otherwise there are optional bosses you should check out before him, maybe level up a litte.

[redhongkong]

Originally posted by Phobos:

Originally posted by Kryten:

Not having much problems with difficulty here so far, but this one...the "seeing through" thing is something I have not really understood how it should work. I don't see if it happens or not (probably not then?) and I am really not sure how it is supposed to work.

It's a timing thing:
Basically you start a light attack, and then when you would normally perfect parry (in other games) or perfect dodge in this game, you press the button for a heavy attack. However, this will only work if you have at least 1x focus point to go. This is how I understood it.

theres a skill that allow u to do a weak dmg resolute counter without any focus point i think

[Phobos]

Originally posted by Zogtar:

To add:

White clad is an input-reading boss that tries to teach you patience.

Everytime you act, he acts.

Round 2, when his moveset changes... you have to learn how to bait attacks.

From there, you have to stun him if you want free attacks or combos. Heavy jump attacks are VERY useful against him from what I remember.

Waiting a boss out while your cooldowns are running is something that takes patience. Otherwise there are optional bosses you should check out before him, maybe level up a litte.

pretty much this.

/closes thread. We are done here.

[redhongkong]

that perfect counter is exactly the same as perfect dodge(shadow clone on original location).

ur counter has a white light coating on u , if u get hit during this time u coating turns red and it means u mitigated a incoming damage

just like any music rhythm game where u able to hit "ok" "acceptable" "early" or " perfect "

https://youtu.be/ckfUXys5ihM?si=3vQ-TmeDzbzUneHJ

[Airlick]

Originally posted by Sawayaka:

its a tough boss that early, i don't think you'll have to try 30 times to beat him though, give it another try i think if you did ER you can beat this game too.
tbh i feel like i die to some bosses outta nowhere so i wouldnt let the game get you down. i don't think it's reflective of your abilities, but more the experience they're trying to give to the players.

TBH many of the bosses feel like they just have 50/50 attacks, so you can die "out of nowhere". As in, the same or very similar attack animations for different attacks that require completely different counters, and if you guess wrong, you just don't get the chance to fix it and will take damage. Usually it won't be an issue since gourd gets a ton of uses and bosses don't really do that much damage, but the fact that this happens is just unfair and makes the game artificially difficult. It could also just be that some of the fights are half-cooked and the bosses are incorrectly detecting the situations and using moves that they should not be using in a given scenario.

[redhongkong]

https://imgur.com/eVaLshj
here i think this shows when u use resolute counter and how it activates "see thru"(red coating)

if u use light attack follow by heavy attack on empty ground with no incoming damage, u should be able to see a white coating

u can actually use it anywhere , even to see thru an incoming arrow if u have superman response timing

just like how u dodge on empty land, and if theres an arrow go into ur dodge window, u can actually trigger a perfect dodge there

[Nicodemous52]

I'm 42, and I had a very hard time with him too. However, I totally reallocated all my sparks and then smoked him on the first try after the change.

The direct tip to beat him is to be passive. Let him come to you and get a whack or two in then fall back and wait again.

The other indirect tip is don't put your points in the survival tree. The juice isn't worth the squeeze. Your points are better spent pretty much anywhere else.

[Nicodemous52]

Originally posted by zeta:

It's, again, a RPG. just level up more and you'd be fine.

I don't know about all that. I pushed myself to lvl 29 or 30 and still could not overcome him until I redid my sparks.

[Kiahel]

well if u have issue with the white sneak guy, wait ot meet black bear fireflies fire...the dude chain aoe fire + turn into a flie immortal that deal 6 charge with 50/50 dodge chance xD and finish up with a charge who has 50/50 chance also with repositionate hitbox if u do'nt perfectly dodge it xD

honestly, issue with bosses comes from the random pattern often choosing tekken tactics : use the most effcient undodgable combo and spam it.... yeah , true ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ those bosses pattern xD

just try mutliple time and be agressive for short periode of time like 2 or 3 hit and then step back and spam dodge when boss mooves (cuz they wanted to do a not spammable game, but failed pattern bosse chain as it forces you to end by smashing dodge button).

if u take it to 50% maxp hp, use ur trasnformation and end him by just spamming attack on him, it will stagger the boss and u can chain him during hard phase

[Mad Marduk]

Originally posted by amanwing:

Im 45, and it seems like I’m too old for this game. I beat Elden Ring and its expansion, as well as Dark Souls 1-3, because during the hardest parts, I could summon help or level up a bit more. But this dual-phase boss just seems too hard for me. I guess I could try another 30 times or so and eventually get it, but the sad part is that it's no longer fun for me to keep trying over and over again. Since I get no feeling for the doge system like in the Friome Software games. It all feels so strange and random for me. So, I think I’ll just delete the game. What's also frustrating is that none of the media I usually read mentioned anything about the game being like this, at least not in the reviews I follow. Just wanted to share this for others to read before they buy.

I'm 44 and I beat him. He has a lot of small movements that can make you whiff. Hold heavy attacks for when he is staggered and be careful about initiating part 3 and 4 (the twirly bits) of light attack combo because it animation locks you and you can not dodge while that animation is going on. I think Wukong also queues more actions than FS games so you'll suffer from spamming buttons more. A lot of people suggest staying away from him in phase 2 to bait his charge but personally I had him by the belt buckle and whittled him down.