Nvidia vs AMD Frame Generation

[Dysphunc]

I did a quick search to see if anyone directly mentioned this but I didn't see it.

Nvidia Frame Generation adds 100ms to the latency - essentially making it feel like you're streaming the same game. It only adds about 50% frame rate increase. Also DLSS adds square specular reflections on water surfaces in the distance.

AMD Frame Generation adds about 25ms of latency and adds about 85% extra fps with less artefacts. But you'll want to use TSR not FSR as it looks a lit better with the Frame Generation.

Specs:
R5 5600x
32 GB DDR4 3200
RTX 4070
2TB SSD

[germy813]

100ms wtf. My system is only hitting 40ms total with frame generation on.

[Dysphunc]

Originally posted by germy813:

100ms wtf. My system is only hitting 40ms total with frame generation on.

It's crazy and I've read for some people FG is fine and for others it's borked.
What is the fps difference between NV and AMD for you if you're able to check next time you play?

[Dev]

Originally posted by Dysphunc:

I did a quick search to see if anyone directly mentioned this but I didn't see it.

Nvidia Frame Generation adds 100ms to the latency - essentially making it feel like you're streaming the same game. It only adds about 50% frame rate increase. Also DLSS adds square specular reflections on water surfaces in the distance.

AMD Frame Generation adds about 25ms of latency and adds about 85% extra fps with less artefacts. But you'll want to use TSR not FSR as it looks a lit better with the Frame Generation.

Specs:
R5 5600x
32 GB DDR4 3200
RTX 4070
2TB SSD

I don’t think it’s 100ms end to end latency. Do you have a monitor that can provide input latency data back to Nvidia GPU? That’s the only verifiable way.

On 4090, 4080, 4070TI rigs, provided you play within your hardware limitations at 4K/2K, most average fps with frame gen is around 90+ fps with base fps generally at least 50~60+ fps. This would imply a frame gen added latency of around double the normal so 33~50ms max.

100ms latency playing an ARPG especially with a gamepad even if true would be actually very very playable. Most people play online shooters with 100ms+ of latency by the time you factor in system, network, and the other user system latencies.

So even if 100ms latency in Black Myth Wukong is true, there’s no way you can accurately perceive that in real life gameplay beyond placebo or literally swapping from 10ms to 100ms instantly.

[Dysphunc]

It's adding 100ms of total system latency, going from 70ms too 170ms it's very noticeable. The only think I can think of (best guess, not a tech pro) this screen I'm using doesn't have LLM/VRR/Gsync and maybe the Reflex pipeline uses it. AMD FG is handled a bit different and wasn't made using Freesync to begin with. I'll find out when my new monitor comes on Tuesday.

[Revanov]

I use lossless scaling myself, able to do 1440p quality and framegen to 120fps. I don't have software to show latency but just eye balling it, it feels great.

What I did was set the monitor to 120hz, lock game to 60fps with RTSS, set in game frame limiter to off and vsync on. Then ran lossless scaling at performance. Ran better than both nvidia and amd framegen.

i7 13700kf, rtx4080s, 32gb 6400 cl32, nvme 5000r/w.

[thenubus]

3080gtx 16gb vram. Intel 12th and 64gb ram. Playing on Linux. For me frame generation introduces very bad lag. To the point that I press buttons twice because I get the feeling nothing happens. Also camera movement is extremely bad. I get 50fps without very playable an 70-80 with but unplayable because of lag….

[Dysphunc]

Originally posted by thenubus:

3080gtx 16gb vram. Intel 12th and 64gb ram. Playing on Linux. For me frame generation introduces very bad lag. To the point that I press buttons twice because I get the feeling nothing happens. Also camera movement is extremely bad. I get 50fps without very playable an 70-80 with but unplayable because of lag….

Have you tried the AMD FG? If you use TSR or FSR for the upscaling it uses AMD instead.

[thenubus]

Originally posted by Dysphunc:

Originally posted by thenubus:

3080gtx 16gb vram. Intel 12th and 64gb ram. Playing on Linux. For me frame generation introduces very bad lag. To the point that I press buttons twice because I get the feeling nothing happens. Also camera movement is extremely bad. I get 50fps without very playable an 70-80 with but unplayable because of lag….

Have you tried the AMD FG? If you use TSR or FSR for the upscaling it uses AMD instead.

I did not. I assumed without amd hardware there would be no benefits. But I’ll try

[saz]

For some reason I can't use FSR or TSR with frame generation on the RTX 4060, for me there is no fps gain on or off. Does anyone know why?

[Fíro]

I dont use framegenaration XD still have 60fps

[federal Agent Bauer]

Originally posted by saz:

For some reason I can't use FSR or TSR with frame generation on the RTX 4060, for me there is no fps gain on or off. Does anyone know why?

Same for me on RTX 4070TI
I want to use TSR FG but it won't affect fps in game at all.

[Nrogara]

Originally posted by saz:

For some reason I can't use FSR or TSR with frame generation on the RTX 4060, for me there is no fps gain on or off. Does anyone know why?

This video says that 40xx cards try to not allow tech other than DLSS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlkgVAWqcKY