The reason the game is successful is NOT because it's "not woke"

[Across]

I see many right wing people celebrating the game being successful because it's "not woke". Sorry to disappoint you but that's not the reason the game is good. The game is good because the game is good, not because it's "not woke"

It absolutely helped that the game content is at least leaned to "Journey to the West" and honestly, as far as i see it it's nearly executed perfectly (want to play it soon too, but i rather wait a month or two until most bugs are fixed), but the game being successful is not because it's woke or not woke.

I think a game being WOKE OR NOT has absolutely NOTHING TO DO with the success of the game. Remember Baldur's Gate 3. This game is woke and successful. Wukong is not woke and being successful.

The reality is that a good game can be woke or not and it does NOT affect the game at all. But a bad game absolutely get WORSE by being Woke. Because the game has nothing beside "it's woke" to please critics, but that's no longer a reason to be successful anymore. So that games like Suicide Squad who are simply bad games absolutely get far far worse being Woke. When a game is defined by "it's woke" or "it's not woke", then a game belongs in the garbage bin. I'm pretty sure there are as many non woke garbage games as they are woke ones.

And this game is far too good for some right leaing people to get put down because "it's not woke", because it is simply a good game.

[Augustus Gloop]

You might have a point there.

[Spawn of Fenrir]

I agree, it's good because it's good. That being said, the reason it caught alot of peoples eye in the first place is because they refused to be extorted by a "consulting" company whos own CEO openly admitted to actively using threats to drum up business.

BG3 felt natural and true to its source material, nothing felt forced. yes there was "woke" in BG3, alot of it, and we still loved it, but that's because it FIT in that setting, there was plenty of diversity, but none of it was forced, it wasn't a game that was "woke" just for the sake of being "woke", it was a GAME and a labor of love, NOT a political statement, they didn't cave to some extortionist "consulting" firm, the game was what THEY wanted it to be. They made a game that THEY loved, they made a game that respected its fans, and that's why WE loved it right back!

[Garble]

It's really that simple.
People like good games.
Make a good game, it'll do well.
Make a bad game, it won't.
Make a bad game and inject whatever arbitrary politics on any side of an issue and don't be surprised when people use those politics as the reason the game is bad.

[Wissper]

Only a right wing knuckledragger would think that a game based on a 16th century Chinese novel would be injected with the anti-political correctness of a 21st century idiocracy.

[Lev]

This is far too reasonable a take for the Steam forums.

[Across]

Originally posted by Spawn of Fenrir:

I agree, it's good because it's good. That being said, the reason it caught alot of peoples eye in the first place is because they refused to be extorted by a "consulting" company whos own CEO openly admitted to actively using threats to drum up business.

Absolutely, and they are damaging far more than every "bad woke game" does, as it affects the whole industry with people who try to inject their agenda into media and exort other people. When you think you need a consultant-company for pleasing the customers as you don't see how you can't elsewhere, then you already are failing with your product. That's why i personally also support SBI-Detected, as consultant-companies like these are a curse for the Industry. That it fails miserably we can see with disney, who only have their agenda in mind without focussing to make good movies or tv-series.

Because first and foremost: quality matters, no matter what you think. And you can absolutely create a woke game, as long as it's never a priority but feels real. But honestly: i don't like the term "woke" as a whole; because on good games the last thing you think about it is: it's woke. I rather see it that it is a good game that is open for everyone without excluding anyone; but that said, not everyone needs to be represented in any game. Sorry, but in a shooter someone in a wheelchair does not make much sense, except maybe in a futuristic setting where the wheelchair is floating and is also a rocket launcher; but then why not simply giving them an exoskeleton or an mech armor that do the walking for him. Again, it should make sense, or not (there are tons of good silly games out there), as long as the game makes fun. And i think this is what many people are actually missing: the game needs to make fun. That's it. Just make a fun game that people want to play.

But in a game like Kingdom Come Deliverance it does not make much sense that every ethnic is represented, especially in this rural setting, and it's good as it is.

[Ace Cheetah]

Originally posted by Spawn of Fenrir:

I agree, it's good because it's good. That being said, the reason it caught alot of peoples eye in the first place is because they refused to be extorted by a "consulting" company whos own CEO openly admitted to actively using threats to drum up business.

BG3 felt natural and true to its source material, nothing felt forced. yes there was "woke" in BG3, alot of it, and we still loved it, but that's because it FIT in that setting, there was plenty of diversity, but none of it was forced, it wasn't a game that was "woke" just for the sake of being "woke", it was a GAME and a labor of love, NOT a political statement, they didn't cave to some extortionist "consulting" firm, the game was what THEY wanted it to be. They made a game that THEY loved, they made a game that respected its fans, and that's why WE loved it right back!

For ♥♥♥♥♥ sake, SBI never tried to extort Game Science. That's just a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ rumor.

[『Dorarhim』]

People who actually care if a game is woke or not clearly don't play games to have fun, they play games to surround themselves in an echo-chamber in every single possible way imaginable.

OP's take is absolutely solid and this person is clearly someone who takes time to think before they speak up. Cheers!

[bladeddragonknight]

It is a good game because it isn't w-o-k-e. If it was it would fail just like a large majority of such games have.

[Spawn of Fenrir]

Originally posted by Ace Cheetah:

Originally posted by Spawn of Fenrir:

I agree, it's good because it's good. That being said, the reason it caught alot of peoples eye in the first place is because they refused to be extorted by a "consulting" company whos own CEO openly admitted to actively using threats to drum up business.

BG3 felt natural and true to its source material, nothing felt forced. yes there was "woke" in BG3, alot of it, and we still loved it, but that's because it FIT in that setting, there was plenty of diversity, but none of it was forced, it wasn't a game that was "woke" just for the sake of being "woke", it was a GAME and a labor of love, NOT a political statement, they didn't cave to some extortionist "consulting" firm, the game was what THEY wanted it to be. They made a game that THEY loved, they made a game that respected its fans, and that's why WE loved it right back!

For ♥♥♥♥♥ sake, SBI never tried to extort Game Science. That's just a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ rumor.

Yeah... sorry chief, we've got video evidence of SBIs CEO very openly stating that extortion is the tactic they use to "scare" developers into hiring them. So if the Black Myth devs say they were attempting to extort them.... it completely fits the pattern.

[Odd fella]

If this game had to adopt DEI policies, we would've had things like LGBTQ grievances, 3rd wave feminist ideas, reminders of american slavery, or victimhood among black communities. Just some modern day politics to remind us of DEI ideology.

But because this game focused purely on gameplay and story, and avoided modern day politics, it had a significantly higher chance of being successful.

[¤ʕ•́ᴥ•̀ʔっ♡ ¤]

It's certainly perceived as a threat to western studios. Raising the bar for expectations and showing whats possible without bending heel over head for the obsolete gaming journalists and the imaginary 0.1% audience.
This is prob. where it starts. The next live action fighting games will all be like Myth! And hopefully studios will ditch forced DEI / I&D, it has to come naturally! I really hope this is the turning point!

[Choko]

Yea more and more people are getting broke they think not following company guidelines is considering dictates aka boss and next thing they known can't understand why they got fired.

Who known it current present, but one thing for sure they are quite clear with those spamming. Like rent free. Lol.

[Nonexistinghero]

I think BG3 is trash. There's a lot of bad things about the game that people just ignore. Easily the most overrated game out there.

And fact of the matter is that wokeness makes games severely worse. BG3 would've been way better without the wokeness. Some games can be good despite wokeness, but that doesn't mean that the wokeness doesn't make the game far worse than it should be.

And that's because the problem of wokeness goes far deeper than merely the woke elements. These games are designed to seep wokeness in the very depths of its design. Even the non-woke elements in those games tend to be off. And that's because they're designed to spread a message, an ideology. Not because they want to be good games. They just want to be good enough to keep people playing for long enough to infect them. And bit by bit... it seeps into people's minds and basically changes the way they think. That's the thing with this. Wokeness is something that's forced so hard into things they're essentially trying to brainwash people with it. And a lot of people don't like that. They notice someone's trying to mess with their mind, their free will... and hence, the backlash.

[NeoVICT]

True, but on the other hand, there is not a single game in history, that was good because it was woke, at best, despite being woke, let that sink in