Remove Denuvo

[GloriousZote]

Your game is very exciting, but Denuvo is known to cause more problems than it prevents, and it's a pretty bad anti-piracy program, too.
Besides, most people will buy a game they like out of goodwill.

[Klikard]

Originally posted by Arion:

Meh. I admit when i'm wrong. Yes, I have no clue about the cracking community. I have now read about it and it does seem like Denuvo is tough to crack. So, it does it's "one job", unless a group of people pool money to pay Empress to crack it.

It's still a bad DRM, and I don't believe it increases sales for the companies using it's service. Whatever small increase might happen is offset by the decrease in sales of people who refuse to buy it with Denuvo. In short, devs are losing money by paying Denuvo most likely.

So how does Denuvo keep convincing companies to buy it? Must be black magic.

Klikard, there is always a point in discussion. Take a look at my profile, you can't call me a pirate man.

Why complain about a DRM? When it's intrusive, heavy, requires you to be online to play a single player game, and might one day completely prevent you from playing the game you purchased.. It's a damn good reason to complain.

Point being: We customers are not the ones cracking or pirating the games, but we're the ones being punished for that. It's a collective, unfair punishment.

We buy a product, and they dictate how we use it. Like we're little children who cannot be trusted.

Imagine you buy a car. It's yours, you own it. But, the company that sold you the car can remotely shut you down from using it whenever they please. Generally they won't do it, but the fact that they can is the problem. It's not really yours then, is it?

Denuvo is pretty beafy stuff, why else would majority of industry swear to it for their games. So it's overall pretty hard to crack in the first place, even without any special motivation.

I never had one signle issue with games protected by Denuvo at all. There might be scencarios it might cause problems but those are probably also somewhat unrealistic problems, specially in 2024.

Of course if it cause major problem for majority of player base it should be reconsidered. But realistically how could it cause problem.

Your profile says 0 games owned, it means nothing to me. you might aswell own 300+ games you bought directly on steam. Or you could have gotten all games in giveaways etc... Many variables. I'd say it's kind of a weak argument like that someone mentioning K/D, it dont always matter.

It would be nice if you could spesify common problems with Denuvo though, so i can see your side of the DRM issue.

[Sr. Tequila]

Originally posted by Arion:

Whatever small increase might happen is offset by the decrease in sales of people who refuse to buy it with Denuvo. In short, devs are losing money by paying Denuvo most likely.

Got a source for that ridiculous claim buddy? Because unlike you, big videogame corporations are not following ignorant opinions or misguided feeliings. They literally have entire financial teams dedicated to maxime their profits and if companies keep using Denuvo is because it actually works.

Gamers are absolutely deluded, thinking their little echo chambers (whether is steam forums, 4chan, reddit, twitter, or whatever obnoxious youtubers they follow) are representative of everyone else.

Just like most people didnt give a single ♥♥♥♥ about Sony forcing a psn account in order to play their games despite the tantrum people made on social media, judging by how Helldivers 2 didnt lose too many players and Ghost of Tsushima was a massive success; most gamers dont even know about Denuvo and of those who know most dont give a ♥♥♥♥.

[Arion]

Profile had games set to private, well that's fixed now. And FYI I bought 99% of my steam games. If I got anything in giveaways it was very few, i'm not a lucky person who actually wins stuff.

And why doesn't this matter as an arguement? It most definitley is an arguement against you saying I want to pirate this game - it's cold hard evidence I do not. I buy games, many games. Probably too much, since i'l likely never even play them all.


I got no source, hence why I said "most likely". Do you have evidence to say i'm wrong about this? Maybe when people were less aware of Denuvo then it worked, but more and more people experience it's issues firsthand or read about them.

There's a reason Denuvo got bad rep. And no, it's not pirates who gave it that.

"I never had any issues" is small consolation to the people who are having issues, you know? You don't, well good for you. How does that help those people?

It's like saying hey, I was never robbed by criminals before... Never had this problem! So, all these people complaining about being robbed, they just lying 'cus they wanna get some kind of compensation yeah? About the same logic in this arguement as in yours.

If Denuvo worked without the online requirement and without technical issues.. There wouldn't be a problem. But it can't work without that online component now can it? That on it's own is a big problem that limits our freedom to play the game we buy anywhere, anytime we want.

If i'm going somewhere I got no internet there, but I wanna play this game in my free time. No can do, Denuvo overlords say: no internet, no game. But it's a single player game that doesn't require internet on it's own! Denuvo overlords say: That's rough buddy, now go get some internet or no game for you.

Not everywhere in the world has steady constant internet connection. Some places don't.
Btw you can use steam offline mode forever, so steam doesn't require you to always be online. But Denuvo does.

[vladiczech]

Customers pay 5% - 10% of game price for usage of Denuvo. Denuvo not only makes games more expensive, but also makes games sell less as some just do not prefer to pay premium prices for DRM protection :-)

[Karumati]

Originally posted by Arion:

Such naivety Klikard. You think Denuvo works? It delays the crackers by like a week or so, maybe.

I mean, these people get off on cracking games. It's their passion. Denuvo is like an extra layer of challenge to them, more fun to be had. And they break it, they always do.

You can invent 1000 DRMs, they will break them all. Nothing will stop them.

Meanwhile, paying customers refuse to buy games that have Denuvo now. The cat is out of the bag, we know how ♥♥♥♥♥♥ this program is and how it screws over paying customers who buy the game. I'm not paying to be made a fool of, no thanks.

The deal is this: Remove Denuvo, I buy. Don't, I don't.

Also, one look at GloriousZote's profile and you can see he buys games. Alot of games. Meanwhile your profile is private. Hidden. He's got nothing to hide, but you do.

So you accusing him of piracy? Please. Who are you kidding here man?

I rather boycott games with lgbt propaganda than boycott game with drm.
Denuvo is not affecting performance all that much.

[suitedjuggler]

Originally posted by Karumati:

If you are worried about denuvo then your pc is not good enough for modern games regardless.

Originally posted by jqcob:

read system requirements....

You don't have to worry about my pc. In-fact, you should be worried about yours. Even if you have a 40 series card and upto date rig Denuvo will still stress you PCs HW and makes it tick very hard to keep up the performance compared to games without Denuvo there by reducing its lifespan and reducing its performance. People having good rig themselves complained about performance issues in Jedi survivor and myself experienced this. Its like your just paying money and spoiling your own PC. Its up to you...

[Dr.NoBody™]

i don't see why you added denuvo to this game, its already making huge success and it will be sad to see it ruined by denuvo affecting performance so pls REMOVE IT

[MROOD]

how do u even know this game has denuvo?

edit:

Incorporates 3rd-party DRM: Denuvo

on store front