Remind me why they removed fan the hammer again?

[Hanzo The Rain]

Was it because they’re fan of Tracer and Sombra and they don’t want anyone keeping them in check?

[SemperFrag]

Because it was used exclusively on tanks to combo them down. Tanks don't like be instagibbed in a 1v1 against a dps.

The flash fan was always a low skill player go to and not really a problem. The good Mcrees just headshot after flash.

[SemperFrag]

It's still good for shield break in some circumstances, or shooting a tank that's has their back to you so you can't headshot them.

[Froog]

in ow1 people complained about stuns, in most cases getting stunned would just mean you would die but in a few seconds instead of instantly like a one shot

tanks could survive easily but they suffered from getting stun locked
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxF4TuSN_A0

for 5v5 they decided to remove all the stuns from all heroes except tanks but they left ana sleep in because they felt it was core to her identity and playstyle

[Froog]

Originally posted by bradams:

Originally posted by SemperFrag:

Because it was used exclusively on tanks to combo them down. Tanks don't like be instagibbed in a 1v1 against a dps.

The flash fan was always a low skill player go to and not really a problem. The good Mcrees just headshot after flash.

Seems like a skill issue on tanks, honestly.

If a Mcree is able to freely saunter his way past 5 other members of your team, as well as yourself, then do a 3 second long fan/flash/fan combo without your team interrupting him, you guys weren't paying attention. He essentially has to walk through danger for like 15 seconds to do what a Widow can do safely in less than 5 seconds.

It was really just another move by OW2 devs to remove any aspect of uniqueness to how to play any character and instead make the only thing that matters in the game to be how accurate the player is, in a game that used to be intentionally built to not be that way so players who weren't twitch streamers could still enjoy it.

widow can't shoot past shield but you can throw flashbang over shield to disable the tank, and then have your team follow up and stun the tank for even longer if they want

cass doesn't need to stay out in the open for 15 sec to do it tho, he can play cover and roll up if he needed to, with 2 tanks it's also easier to have another tank peel for him while hes moving in

[Ernesto]

People hated flashbang stuns
And people seethed about magnetic grenade because muh explosive damage
And blizz proceeds to hear the louder ones
Instead of taking the most sensate decicion

[Mochan]

Originally posted by bradams:

Originally posted by SemperFrag:

Because it was used exclusively on tanks to combo them down. Tanks don't like be instagibbed in a 1v1 against a dps.

The flash fan was always a low skill player go to and not really a problem. The good Mcrees just headshot after flash.

Seems like a skill issue on tanks, honestly.

If a Mcree is able to freely saunter his way past 5 other members of your team, as well as yourself, then do a 3 second long fan/flash/fan combo without your team interrupting him, you guys weren't paying attention. He essentially has to walk through danger for like 15 seconds to do what a Widow can do safely in less than 5 seconds.

It was really just another move by OW2 devs to remove any aspect of uniqueness to how to play any character and instead make the only thing that matters in the game to be how accurate the player is, in a game that used to be intentionally built to not be that way so players who weren't twitch streamers could still enjoy it.

That's not a tank issue. That's a team issue. If the other 5 players completely missed the McCree, it's not the tank's fault.

[Batabii • Suikoden I&II HD]

What are you talking about?! They didn't remove it!

[Ger愛envy728]

wait fan the hammer is removed in ow2?? or u mean classic mode?

[SemperFrag]

Originally posted by 愛envy728:

wait fan the hammer is removed in ow2?? or u mean classic mode?

By removed, he means nerfed to the point of near worthlessness. Which is true.