Marvel Rivals Combat

[Froog]

I"ve been having a lot of fun, wonder what you guys think about the combat.

To me, fights in Rivals are more close-quarters and brawl/midfight-heavy, while in Overwatch the poke phase (the prefight) is much more important. It doesn’t feel like there’s much of a poke phase in Rivals.

For people not familiar with Overwatch terminology, in Marvel Rivals your team can just jump into the fight quickly, while in Overwatch your team has to play through a ranged phase first to get an opening.

There could be an important prefight/poke phase in Rivals, but maybe the community is still learning the game. I doubt it, though, because I feel like in the current balance of the game, only Hawkeye and Widow are really able to achieve much in the prefight, while other characters don’t have the high burst damage needed to kill at range, giving enemies plenty of time to get back into cover and healed.

To me rivals right now plays out like what people who don't play Overwatch imagine Overwatch plays like.

[Mochan]

Marvel Rivals is OW2 taken to the extreme.
It is faster, people die like flies and matches last 4 minutes.
It is going even further away from what Overwatch should be.

It's okay for some brainless fun, but it's not a replacement for Overwatch and is going in the wrong direction. But I treat it as its own game and it's fun for what it is.

Widow honestly is pretty bad. Hawkeye is the way to go if you want to snipe. Lots of useless heroes too like Namor, Logan and Ororo. The are wastes of space and should be deleted from the game until they get major buffs.

[hypadao]

It's probably a skill issue, but Marvel Rival feels a lot more like "One Dimension OW".
It's a lot more just a big push against the enemy team, I have a lot less opportunity to gank and kill people with heroes like Ironman, unlike OW where I can absolutely drive the enemy team crazy by ganking on Echo.

It feels a lot more like a Paladin where the tank can just hold the point forever, i couldn't win a 1v1 against that Venom guy, he just has way too many shields.

And overall I don't really like the map (where are the stairs???)
And the off angles are way less strong because the enemy team can just destroy your cover.

Marvel Rival is a lot of fun when you actually have 2 tanks because it's a lot more "strategic" like OW1 where you count your resources and push the enemy team, but there's no role queue and at least half the players play DPS

So we're back to the days when OTPs ruin your games (and I'm almost an OTP Ironman/Loki as a true member of the sneak nation)

[Dylan]

i think this is more suited for the marvel rivals page

[hypadao]

Originally posted by Dylan:

i think this is more suited for the marvel rivals page

TBF between the burn out OW player and the new player to the genre they are kinda clueless about their game

[Froog]

Originally posted by Mochan:

Marvel Rivals is OW2 taken to the extreme.
It is faster, people die like flies and matches last 4 minutes.
It is going even further away from what Overwatch should be.

It's okay for some brainless fun, but it's not a replacement for Overwatch and is going in the wrong direction. But I treat it as its own game and it's fun for what it is.

Widow honestly is pretty bad. Hawkeye is the way to go if you want to snipe. Lots of useless heroes too like Namor, Logan and Ororo. The are wastes of space and should be deleted from the game until they get major buffs.

my experience of the game is different, you die much faster in overwatch, heroes in rivals do less damage with their abilities and normal attacks, maybe ults are different but i think the player base will adapt and learn the counter play to ults like in overwatch

i do think that overwatch has way more depth, part of that is game design but also because we've had 8 years to learn the game

i think marvel rivals being easier to get into is a good thing.

i do agree and think there are some useless characters, i think massive amounts of balance changes will need to be done once people learn the ins and outs of the game

[Froog]

Originally posted by Dylan:

i think this is more suited for the marvel rivals page

i would post it there but i don't think many people on there would understand the overwatch terminology, and i'm more interested in discussing the combat using overwatch as a base. You can think of it as almost like a comparison.

[Froog]

Originally posted by hypadao:

Originally posted by Dylan:

i think this is more suited for the marvel rivals page

TBF between the burn out OW player and the new player to the genre they are kinda clueless about their game

Not sure what you mean by this.

[hypadao]

Originally posted by Froog:

Not sure what you mean by this.

Sorry i am stoopid, and sometimes I forget how to phrase sentences, what I mean is that Marvel-rivals fans have forgotten what "fun-based balance" means.

[Mister Father]

Originally posted by hypadao:

It's probably a skill issue, but Marvel Rival feels a lot more like "One Dimension OW".
It's a lot more just a big push against the enemy team, I have a lot less opportunity to gank and kill people with heroes like Ironman, unlike OW where I can absolutely drive the enemy team crazy by ganking on Echo.

Definitely not a skill issue, more of the opposite. Rivals is a simplified, mobile game version of OW lol.

[-Lu-]

Originally posted by hypadao:

Rivals is a simplified

Sure does not feel like it with the teamups and such. You get more overall skills and frequency with which to use them.
They feel impactful if used right and the skills seem to sync with each other much better than overwatch.

[Mochan]

Originally posted by -Lu-:

Originally posted by hypadao:

Rivals is a simplified

Sure does not feel like it with the teamups and such. You get more overall skills and frequency with which to use them.
They feel impactful if used right and the skills seem to sync with each other much better than overwatch.

Rivals is more simplistic. The teamups just add more cooldowns or passive to a hero, doesn't really create or add all that much depth. The actual play of the heros in matches is a lot simpler compared to Overwatch, they're all hyper carries so basically everyone is a DPS with huge dueling potential except for the complete trash characters. Everyone feels impactful because everyone other than heroes like Logan, Ororo and Namor are hyper carries.

[Mochan]

Originally posted by Froog:

Originally posted by Mochan:

Marvel Rivals is OW2 taken to the extreme.
It is faster, people die like flies and matches last 4 minutes.
It is going even further away from what Overwatch should be.

It's okay for some brainless fun, but it's not a replacement for Overwatch and is going in the wrong direction. But I treat it as its own game and it's fun for what it is.

Widow honestly is pretty bad. Hawkeye is the way to go if you want to snipe. Lots of useless heroes too like Namor, Logan and Ororo. The are wastes of space and should be deleted from the game until they get major buffs.

my experience of the game is different, you die much faster in overwatch, heroes in rivals do less damage with their abilities and normal attacks, maybe ults are different but i think the player base will adapt and learn the counter play to ults like in overwatch

i do think that overwatch has way more depth, part of that is game design but also because we've had 8 years to learn the game

i think marvel rivals being easier to get into is a good thing.

i do agree and think there are some useless characters, i think massive amounts of balance changes will need to be done once people learn the ins and outs of the game

Mine is very different, everyone basically just does their own thing and carries, and everyone dies quickly. When people try to team up a bit and do something methodical like doing a 2-2-2 comp someone can still either just bust through it with a strong combo or die trying.

Poking and long standoffs don't really happen, diving and brawling and flanking is the name of the game, the anchor tanks feel a little weak and underwhelming compared to the brawlers and divers, there are no main healers because all the healers are better at DPSing aside from Rocket.