What did they do with the Sombra?

[UaliN]

The character is quite unbalanced and clearly needs adjustments. Literally in every game I enter, both teams have this character due to the absurd advantage that the players are having, in addition, more than 1 player is needed to quickly eliminate an opponent who is using Sombra, as it is very difficult to do this alone.

Of course, advanced players won't have many problems with this, but casual players and especially beginners will, so I believe that there should be a readjustment of the character as quickly as possible to make the game more balanced, after all, if the player knows how to play with Sombra, it's almost impossible to die in the game (since few characters can keep up or immobilize her).

Right Mouse Button
As if it weren't enough to have high mobility and the possibility of remaining invisible indefinitely, making it easier to get behind the enemy's back quickly, the character literally cancels skills that are already active, which makes it impossible for the opponent to defend themselves, even shields like Reinhardt, Zarya barriers or Phara flight can be deactivated after hacking the opponent, that is, it is literally disarming the opponent and allowing only Sombra to attack.
If you have a shield and are hacked, the shield is deactivated and you are open to taking damage, and if you are flying, you simply fall to the ground, leaving you completely exposed, in other words, the only advantage of a character like Phara is the possibility of flying, and if she is prevented from flying, simply has no defense and becomes an easy target, the same applies to any character that depends on a shield or some way of moving and that is why Somrba needs adjustments.

To resolve this, holding the right button should only block the use of new abilities, not those that are already active, and ignore shields or basic character actions, which should not be considered abilities, such as Reinhardt shield or flight from Phara, who needs this to have an advantage in the game), this would make combat more balanced, allowing the opponent to defend themselves in some way, because currently, if the player is hacked, they have no defense.

Translocator (E)
After teleporting using (E), the character becomes invisible instantly, making it impossible to find her, as she becomes invisible, quickly appears behind the enemy's back, hacks him to cancel and prevent him from using his skills, shoots him (causing a lot of damage due to the short distance and the high fire rate of your weapon), and when it loses life, just teleport and she disappears, making it impossible for the opponent to hit it, that is, if the opponent does not immobilize it and eliminate it before she teleports (something quite difficult to do), the opponent is at a total disadvantage.

Some possible solutions would be:
- Increase skill (E) cooldown (less effective solution)

- Count the (E) cooldown only when she becomes visible, in this case the cooldown may be shorter (1.5 to 2 seconds to avoid leaving the character exposed for a long time and at the same time give the opponent the possibility to see and hit it)

- Keep the character visible after teleporting to another location (1.5 to 2 seconds also to avoid keeping him visible for a long time)

For now this is my feedback on the character and I sincerely hope that adjustments are made, as he is currently quite unbalanced, and excessive use by players only proves this.

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She's literally easier to kill now than pre rework.

[Mikozo]

Shes way easier to kill now. before the update its like playing one sided tag, now its just hide and seek. Rework Translocator isnt that new because other heroes have similar abilities like moira has fade, kiriko has swift step, reaper has wraith/shadow step and symmetra has teleport. I mean you can use kiriko suzu to remove hack and virus

[Chinese Mafia]

Dude, you play with an imbalanced character like Pharah and whine, aren't you ashamed?
Everything you described is a problem with your skills. This is a game of counter picks, whoever adapts first wins. The more unbalanced character will often have a stronger counter pick in the game. Just as often, I can’t do anything on the sombra because, the backline is too tight, and many characters counter pick me. The only thing she needs is to reduce the damage a little. If you lose to Sombra, it means you and your team are making a lot of mistakes. Also, no one noticed that in season 6, Moira was secretly buffed, she began to cause damage from a greater distance, and if there is Moira or Illari in the backline, then it is quite difficult to play Sombra. I'm more in favor of nerfing Moira than Sombra, Moira is a character that deals a lot of damage and doesn't need AIM. Moira also ruins the game very often, so need to reduce her pick rate. Sombra only works if the player is standing statically, which is typical of low ranks, for example, snipers look into the scope for a very long time, but at higher ranks, people move and it’s much more difficult to hit and kill them right away, you also start getting a bunch of random shots that give you away earlier time. For example, players, knowing that there is a sombra on the enemy team, start shooting randomly on the sides, or even worse, players use WallHack and you immediately get a shot across half the map, and the enemy team does not have players with enlightenment like the Widowmaker or Hanzo.

[UaliN]

Originally posted by Kartofan:

Dude, you play with an imbalanced character like Pharah and whine, aren't you ashamed?...

- Dude, you play with an imbalanced character like Pharah and whine, aren't you ashamed?

What do you mean man, Phara is one of the easiest characters to eliminate and her only advantage is the possibility of flying, without that she has no defense, she has a low life, her mobility on the ground is low and even though she has good damage, the fire rate is low, the time until reaching the target is slow and if she hits herself, she will lose a lot of life, where is this character unbalanced?

- The most unbalanced character will often have a stronger counter pick in the game.

I don't know if you noticed, but Sombra can practically counter any character in the game (including their ultimate, even when they've already been activated), hacking it and preventing you from using a skill is one thing, but cancel a skill you already activated is another, and that's the problem, as I said, if your character isn't fast or able to immobilize her, you lose.

My criticism is precisely the fact that it can make it impossible for other characters to defend themselves and get out of combat very easily, this unbalances the game, or do you think it's fair for a character to completely disarm you, cause you damage and be able to leave the combat at any time, when you become a target for the whole team and barely manage to hit her?

If you are Reinhardt on the frontline, Sombra just hacks you and you become an easy target, because the shield is deactivated and you literally lose your character defense, which only works in one direction and is the only thing that gives "advantage" for him.

Zarya is the same thing, if you hack her barrier that barely lasts in combat, it's over, she becomes an easy target and still has no damage to counter attack.

You didn't realize that the Sombra on battle is removing the need to have Tank characters on the team, because it can easily disarm them, with few exceptions, and the same applies to the game Supports, who usually don't have much health or the ability to escape, again there are few exceptions.

The problem is not her abilities, but how they work in the game, and the solutions I proposed were precisely to make it possible to have a fair fight against her, that is, if the Sombra prevents a Phara from using abilities, but not from flying, in this case, Phara would be able to move away, and so would the Sombra, in addition to still being able to hit Phara in the air, however, currently, if the Sombra hacks a Phara, it's over, Phara dies, because she has no defense, and if the Sombra loses life, just teleport to any place because it will fall invisibly in place, that's what happens to any Sombra opponent, this creates an absurd advantage in the game and that's why so many people are using her.

[THAT Guy]

Sombra basically was the first hero to get a "casual balance" rework..

This won't do much for her high level viability or pick rate, tbh I expect to be even worse..

What this does do, is make it easier for players to play against her.

The only players having issues against her were the weak or bad players...

I can only imagine other heros will get "casual balance" reworks eventually in the future.. likely pharah and hanzo will get hit soon

It just serves as yet another example of blizzards intention to slowly turn this game into a hyper casual cash grab.. it will die before it gets fully realized...

I mean, first they decide to end the OWL and shortly after we get a "casual balance" hero rework..

I wonder if blizzard just thinks we're all a bunch of morons who can't read the writing on the wall. Lol

[Chinese Mafia]

Dude, you are talking complete nonsense! Pharah does a lot of damage, she counters Reinhardt stronger than Sombra, it’s difficult for him to deploy his shield, but try to approach Reinhardt on Sombra, you’ll most likely get hit in the head with a sledgehammer and fly off into respawn! Pharah can also hover for a long time and move randomly in flight, which makes it not so easy to kill her even on a hitscan like Ash or Widowmaker. When Pharah paired with Mercy, it’s more difficult to kill a good Pharah.

If you're on a Pharah flying down like a piece of crap, you'll predictably get killed, but a good Pharah is very difficult to kill. Well, especially if a Sombra can hack you, then this is 100% a problem with your skills.

[ゴ『M.P. Firebrand』ゴ]

shes like TF2 Spy before he got nerfed into the ground. OP mechanics, OP hard to counter bugs and abuse-able abilities, and a funny gimmick that attracts people to the character.

Spy with his backstabs, disguising, and ability to cloak, and cool edgy spy look
Sombra with her hacking, cloak that looks like a bootleg of spy's, SMG, and.. whats another good thing about this character? I forgot.

anyway, they're both stupid easy to kill, but like spy before the deadringer rework/nerf and ambassador nerf, Sombra is still ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ annoying.

[THAT Guy]

Originally posted by ゴ『M.P. Firebrand』ゴ:

shes like TF2 Spy before he got nerfed into the ground. OP mechanics, OP hard to counter bugs and abuse-able abilities, and a funny gimmick that attracts people to the character.

Spy with his backstabs, disguising, and ability to cloak, and cool edgy spy look
Sombra with her hacking, cloak that looks like a bootleg of spy's, SMG, and.. whats another good thing about this character? I forgot.

anyway, they're both stupid easy to kill, but like spy before the deadringer rework/nerf and ambassador nerf, Sombra is still ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ annoying.

Even if amby wasn't nerfed, spy would still be the most useless class in tf2, there's litterally nothing a spy can do another class cannot, with more efficiency and less risk..

Sombra at least has her own unique niche being anti ablity.

There's a reason spy is never played in high level tf2 unless it's forced...

The fact you even made this comparison shows how lacking you are in comprehension of the two

[Devilish Dave]

People picking on Sombra probably can't even kill Tracer, but since Sombra got a rework, they have something they believe is a new topic.

[Jeny]

Sombra is easier to kill now tbh.

[Shaelent]

Originally posted by Kartofan:

Dude, you play with an imbalanced character like Pharah and whine, aren't you ashamed?
Everything you described is a problem with your skills. This is a game of counter picks, whoever adapts first wins. The more unbalanced character will often have a stronger counter pick in the game. Just as often, I can’t do anything on the sombra because, the backline is too tight, and many characters counter pick me. The only thing she needs is to reduce the damage a little. If you lose to Sombra, it means you and your team are making a lot of mistakes. Also, no one noticed that in season 6, Moira was secretly buffed, she began to cause damage from a greater distance, and if there is Moira or Illari in the backline, then it is quite difficult to play Sombra. I'm more in favor of nerfing Moira than Sombra, Moira is a character that deals a lot of damage and doesn't need AIM. Moira also ruins the game very often, so need to reduce her pick rate.

I think this is just a massive skill issue on your end to be complaining about Moira of all supports when she already has an extremely low pick rate and most especially compared to Ana who dominates in pick rates and overall viability. Moira provides little to no utility and even then her utility isn't that good compared to Ana who has sleep dart, burst heals and nano compared to Moira who has fade, orb and coalescence and I would argue that sleep dart is better than all three of Moira's util if anything.

[Shaelent]

Originally posted by Devilish Dave:

People picking on Sombra probably can't even kill Tracer, but since Sombra got a rework, they have something they believe is a new topic.

I've seen people play reworked Sombra and still complain when they're the ones going Sombra into Hanzo. This rework really shows you who the good Sombra players are compared to the bad ones and it's also telling on a players skill when dealing with her too since she is definitely far easier to kill now as she actually engages more in team fights. I think the whole "Sombra rework overpowered raaah" is not just a new topic but one of those hot ones too since it's about one of the worst DPS heroes on the roster. It's also funny seeing OP talk about "excessive use" on a hero when it's almost as if she just got a rework so of course people will be playing her to try her out, it doesn't correlate to how good she is.

[Chinese Mafia]

Originally posted by Shaelent:

I think this is just a massive skill issue on your end to be complaining about Moira of all supports when she already has an extremely low pick rate and most especially compared to Ana who dominates in pick rates and overall viability.

Don't compare your finger to a penis. Open https://www.overbuff.com/heroes
Set the last month, and competitive, until platinum, Moira dominates in terms of pick rate and winrate. She also has the highest KDA and Eliminations at all ranks, and over the last month Moira has started to be chosen more often even in GM. Her win rate drops from about platinum, this is due to the fact that people can counterpick her, and Sombra makes her ultimate useless, or Dzen can really ruin her game. Ana is a character that requires more skill in the game. Moira is light, her ultimate is easier to implement, but this lightness of the character often forces players to think little in the game and make a lot of mistakes, which also affects the win rate. Another minus of Moira is that she helps charge opponents’ ultimates. Moira is also called a Low ELO character. Now again, the problem with Moira is that Sombra is difficult to implement against a good Moira due to her high KDA, and Sombra can be useless until Moira's ult. It’s easier to take a hitscan like Widowmaker and just send Moira to respawn. I actually kill a lot of Moira on Sombra, and sometimes I play Moira and see her being very unbalanced against some players. Moira also kills a Kiriko, look at the win rate in the table. So don't wishful thinking and don't compare your finger to someone else's penis.

[Shaelent]

Originally posted by Kartofan:

Originally posted by Shaelent:

I think this is just a massive skill issue on your end to be complaining about Moira of all supports when she already has an extremely low pick rate and most especially compared to Ana who dominates in pick rates and overall viability.

Don't compare your finger to a penis. Open https://www.overbuff.com/heroes
Set the last month, and competitive, until platinum, Moira dominates in terms of pick rate and winrate. She also has the highest KDA and Eliminations at all ranks, and over the last month Moira has started to be chosen more often even in GM. Her win rate drops from about platinum, this is due to the fact that people can counterpick her, and Sombra makes her ultimate useless, or Dzen can really ruin her game. Ana is a character that requires more skill in the game. Moira is light, her ultimate is easier to implement, but this lightness of the character often forces players to think little in the game and make a lot of mistakes, which also affects the win rate. Another minus of Moira is that she helps charge opponents’ ultimates. Moira is also called a Low ELO character. Now again, the problem with Moira is that Sombra is difficult to implement against a good Moira due to her high KDA, and Sombra can be useless until Moira's ult. It’s easier to take a hitscan like Widowmaker and just send Moira to respawn. I actually kill a lot of Moira on Sombra, and sometimes I play Moira and see her being very unbalanced against some players. Moira also kills a Kiriko, look at the win rate in the table. So don't wishful thinking and don't compare your finger to someone else's penis.

You answered it yourself, you're complaining about a character that only thrives in low elo because she has a low pick rate overall and provides no proper utility to the team because she can only dps or heal. If you were to say that Ana needs a nerf I can see where you're coming from but otherwise you're just pointlessly complaining about one of the most useless supports aside from Lifeweaver but even his util is more gamechanging than Moira's.

[Chinese Mafia]

Originally posted by Shaelent:

If you were to say that Ana needs a nerf I can see where you're coming from but otherwise you're just pointlessly complaining about one of the most useless supports aside from Lifeweaver but even his util is more gamechanging than Moira.

You are funny, again you are passing off wishful thinking. You're the only one whining here, I don't think Ana needs to be nerfed, she's already been weakened and this is a character that requires skills. You are suspiciously whining about Moira’s strong counter pick in the form of Ana, it looks like a low elo player who cannot win except with Moira...