I'm gonna say it, Moira is BS.

[CrimsonZako]

Biotic Orb - Damages all enemies near the ball and bounces off walls. Extremely effective on inside maps. Combine this with Kinetic Grasp auto aim, easy kills.

Kinetic Grasp - You don't need to aim. Just hold M2 while eating pizza. It also heals you during the scuffle because why not. With pretty good range which is something she should not have.

Fade - Honestly as annoying as Sombra's translocator. No one's ready for that conversation.

Coalescence - Overpowered. Self healing while in beam is good enough to out-heal most DPS so in lower ranks she pops ult and can walk through enemy teams and melt their support and DPS. In higher ranks it's basically a "you can't kill me" button that still has massive benefits because it heals her teammates and does damage at the same time regardless of shields and it feels like it lasts a millennia.

Last thing, there's NO way to lose 1v1's while using her. Being able to kill any dps with like 3 exceptions without issue is just crazy. She's not even a support at this point, she's a dps with a side of support.

[Valore]

No characters are balanced in a vacuum. Some of what you're claiming is true, a lot of it is selective, and some plain wrong.

Biotic is part of your heal kit. If you just throw it out for DPS mindlessly, at a decent skill level someone in your team will keel over, and you've just screwed the pooch as a Support.

Fade is a very good ability. Plenty of characters have excellent mobility. This is a nothing statement.

Coalescence is solid, but has drawbacks. It's channeled, which means you can't use it like a moron or you get countered with a stun. And since you risk a stun if you run up like a moron, people can use cover. As you mentioned, this is a low rank problem, and let's face it, at low ranks, anything is a problem because people there don't know how to play the game.

Same goes for 1v1s. Sure you're going to have a great time killing crap Genji players at low ranks. But no Genji upper ranks will ever lose a 1v1 with you. Same goes for most of the hitscan DPS and projectile DPS.

[Shaelent]

Originally posted by CrimsonZako:

Biotic Orb - Damages all enemies near the ball and bounces off walls. Extremely effective on inside maps. Combine this with Kinetic Grasp auto aim, easy kills.

Get your tank to play Dva or play Dva and use defense matrix to mit the orb, or stop running into it.

Originally posted by CrimsonZako:

Kinetic Grasp - You don't need to aim. Just hold M2 while eating pizza. It also heals you during the scuffle because why not. With pretty good range which is something she should not have.

You still need some level of aim and good tracking so not entirely no-aim, the consensus just comes from her not using a gun to kill.

Originally posted by CrimsonZako:

Fade - Honestly as annoying as Sombra's translocator. No one's ready for that conversation.

Her Fade is only incredibly annoying to people who can't track or don't know that it can be cancelled by things like a Cass nade.

Originally posted by CrimsonZako:

Coalescence - Overpowered. Self healing while in beam is good enough to out-heal most DPS so in lower ranks she pops ult and can walk through enemy teams and melt their support and DPS. In higher ranks it's basically a "you can't kill me" button that still has massive benefits because it heals her teammates and does damage at the same time regardless of shields and it feels like it lasts a millennia.

Complaining about her ult is an incredibly low elo take, you brought Sombra up in the same paragraph but forgot to even mention that Sombra can cancel her ult.

Originally posted by CrimsonZako:

Last thing, there's NO way to lose 1v1's while using her. Being able to kill any dps with like 3 exceptions without issue is just crazy. She's not even a support at this point, she's a dps with a side of support.

She can lose a 1v1 if the enemy DPS is good.

All in all, this entire post is just complaining about a very niche hero whose only util is DPS or heals. The only thing to actually say here is for you to get better at the game.

[CrimsonZako]

Originally posted by Shaelent:

Get your tank to play Dva or play Dva and use defense matrix to mit the orb, or stop running into it.

Yeah, no, if being forced to play a certain hero is the only answer then you know there's a problem. I get it's a part of strategy but that's not how it should work at all, you'd think in a game with 38 characters there would be more options for counter play, but no "jUsT gO d.Va."

Originally posted by Shaelent:

You still need some level of aim and good tracking so not entirely no-aim, the consensus just comes from her not using a gun to kill.

You literally don't and you know what I mean, just face the enemies general direction and you're good to go. If you actually call this "aiming" then I've seen it all. Don't even know why you're defending this.

Originally posted by Shaelent:

Her Fade is only incredibly annoying to people who can't track or don't know that it can be cancelled by things like a Cass nade.

Fade can be used for so much more than just running away for help, also, again, there shouldn't just be one hero for the counter play.

Originally posted by Shaelent:

Complaining about her ult is an incredibly low elo take, you brought Sombra up in the same paragraph but forgot to even mention that Sombra can cancel her ult.

Lying isn't helping your argument, or maybe reread? Never did I mention Sombra while I was ranting about Moira's ult. I only mentioned Sombra because her translocator is comparable to fade and are both used for the same reasons.

Originally posted by Shaelent:

She can lose a 1v1 if the enemy DPS is good. All in all, this entire post is just complaining about a very niche hero whose only util is DPS or heals. The only thing to actually say here is for you to get better at the game.

The DPS can lose against a Moira if the Moira is good. In other words, you have no idea how things happen in this game. Also you're telling me to get better when I played Moira ONCE and I get a convenient 25 piece. This hero requires no skill. Get over yourself.

[RealMadridUCL15]

Originally posted by CrimsonZako:

Biotic Orb - Damages all enemies near the ball and bounces off walls. Extremely effective on inside maps. Combine this with Kinetic Grasp auto aim, easy kills.

You can easily counter it with burst of heal or dva's or sigma's skill

Originally posted by CrimsonZako:

Kinetic Grasp - You don't need to aim. Just hold M2 while eating pizza. It also heals you during the scuffle because why not. With pretty good range which is something she should not have.

First of all, Kinetic Grasp is Sigma's, not Moira's.

Second, you can outdamage her if you have decent aim. Let's say you are playing Zen and enemy Moira go 1v1 against you. If don't miss any of your shots, you can kill her in 3 seconds, meanwhile Moira need 5 seconds to kill you.

Originally posted by CrimsonZako:

Fade - Honestly as annoying as Sombra's translocator. No one's ready for that conversation.

If you have ears and experience, you can easily counter Moira's ambush.

Originally posted by CrimsonZako:

Coalescence - Overpowered. Self healing while in beam is good enough to out-heal most DPS so in lower ranks she pops ult and can walk through enemy teams and melt their support and DPS. In higher ranks it's basically a "you can't kill me" button that still has massive benefits because it heals her teammates and does damage at the same time regardless of shields and it feels like it lasts a millennia.

First, If both teams are in head-to-head 5-on-5 situation in a straight line, Coalescence's efficiency is not bad. But if a fight takes place in a place other than a straight line, efficiency plummets.

Second, Kiriko and Baptiste can outdamage Moira's ult.

Originally posted by CrimsonZako:

Last thing, there's NO way to lose 1v1's while using her. Being able to kill any dps with like 3 exceptions without issue is just crazy. She's not even a support at this point, she's a dps with a side of support.

Experienced dps don't create 1v1 situations with her.

[Shaelent]

Originally posted by CrimsonZako:

Originally posted by Shaelent:

Get your tank to play Dva or play Dva and use defense matrix to mit the orb, or stop running into it.

Yeah, no, if being forced to play a certain hero is the only answer then you know there's a problem. I get it's a part of strategy but that's not how it should work at all, you'd think in a game with 38 characters there would be more options for counter play, but no "jUsT gO d.Va."

Originally posted by Shaelent:

You still need some level of aim and good tracking so not entirely no-aim, the consensus just comes from her not using a gun to kill.

You literally don't and you know what I mean, just face the enemies general direction and you're good to go. If you actually call this "aiming" then I've seen it all. Don't even know why you're defending this.

Originally posted by Shaelent:

Her Fade is only incredibly annoying to people who can't track or don't know that it can be cancelled by things like a Cass nade.

Fade can be used for so much more than just running away for help, also, again, there shouldn't just be one hero for the counter play.

Originally posted by Shaelent:

Complaining about her ult is an incredibly low elo take, you brought Sombra up in the same paragraph but forgot to even mention that Sombra can cancel her ult.

Lying isn't helping your argument, or maybe reread? Never did I mention Sombra while I was ranting about Moira's ult. I only mentioned Sombra because her translocator is comparable to fade and are both used for the same reasons.

Originally posted by Shaelent:

She can lose a 1v1 if the enemy DPS is good. All in all, this entire post is just complaining about a very niche hero whose only util is DPS or heals. The only thing to actually say here is for you to get better at the game.

The DPS can lose against a Moira if the Moira is good. In other words, you have no idea how things happen in this game. Also you're telling me to get better when I played Moira ONCE and I get a convenient 25 piece. This hero requires no skill. Get over yourself.

I used three heroes as examples and you think they're the only ones that counter, it shows you're lack of knowledge on the heroes in the game. Everything else I'm reading from you is genuinely just the biggest skill issue I've seen in an entirety, playing Moira once and getting a decent amount of kills (most which are probably just assisted) doesn't mean she's overpowered. She is one of the worst supports because the only things she can do is heal or DPS compared to Ana who has sleep, anti and burst heals. Get more hours on the game then you can have an opinion on what's overpowered, until then get some skill and drop your ego.

[hi friends]

it is ez kills because you let me 1v1 you instead of pinging the ♥♥♥♥ out of me dps moira acting like im sombra or genji

[Old Captain Yon]

Meura really lacks strong support abilities besides healing (and there are many supps who do the healing as good as she). She lacks saving techniques of Kiri or bap, she lacks counterplay utility of ana's nade and sleep, she lacks raw damage boost of dps zen or pocket mercy, she lacks oneshot opportunities of lucio. Her only real schtick is that she is very braindead - forgiving cooldowns, invincibility, aimbot. This makes her shine at lower levels, but get at least to plat and other pro supps start clowning at you hard. About duels... Any dps worth their salt can easily kill moira in a 1vs1 except maybe widow. DPS moira should harass other supports.

[[JRE] Joe Rogan]

You guys would hate Moira in OW1 the version of her now is relatively tame, when she first came out everyone was just one tricking her to GM lmao. You can actually kill her in her ult now, that was pretty much impossible in OW1. Not to mention her damage was insane back then and she built ult a lot faster.

Move out of the way of orb and shoot her from far away if you can if she fades in on you ping her and hope your team responds cuz you clearly don't aim that good. She's helpless without her cooldowns and most characters can outrange her. So be mindful if her orb and fade when approaching her, her healing orb burst heals now so unless you kill her quick with burst or good aim she'll probably burst heal or fade out and be fine.

The character is good at low levels because she's simple and you're able to get the most out of her without having to know much about the character or even the game tbh. At higher ranks I think she's still viable despite what people say for her burst healing in team fights but way leas effective. Also its possible a high level Genji dies to a high level Moira but like someone mentioned itbwouks be rare cuz 1 v 1s aren't gonna be seen that often for either character. Moira trying to duel a Genji by diving him would just result in the whole team annihilating her and Genji is just gonna poke for a dive on an easy target.

[zabloing]

Skill issue, mate. Moira is easily one of the weakest supps right now.

[Peggy7]

Originally posted by CrimsonZako:

Biotic Orb - Damages all enemies near the ball and bounces off walls. Extremely effective on inside maps. Combine this with Kinetic Grasp auto aim, easy kills.

Kinetic Grasp - You don't need to aim. Just hold M2 while eating pizza. It also heals you during the scuffle because why not. With pretty good range which is something she should not have.

Fade - Honestly as annoying as Sombra's translocator. No one's ready for that conversation.

Coalescence - Overpowered. Self healing while in beam is good enough to out-heal most DPS so in lower ranks she pops ult and can walk through enemy teams and melt their support and DPS. In higher ranks it's basically a "you can't kill me" button that still has massive benefits because it heals her teammates and does damage at the same time regardless of shields and it feels like it lasts a millennia.

Last thing, there's NO way to lose 1v1's while using her. Being able to kill any dps with like 3 exceptions without issue is just crazy. She's not even a support at this point, she's a dps with a side of support.

Idk why your acting like this isn’t what every metal rank dps thinks, this take is cold. First of all, she had a linear beam just like Zarya, except the beam is wider so it’s more forgiving, but you still have to be aiming at their hitbox. I personally think they should make the beam smaller and allow for headshotting though. Also her beam is literally the lowest dps attack in the entire game with the exception of symmetra level 1 beam if I’m not mistaken. Also yeah it’s easy to get a lot of value with orbs when your inside but if your not there’s a lot of potential for skill expression since you can just… walk away from the dmg orb if you don’t bounce it properly. Coalescence is without a doubt the worst support ult, the self healing is 50 per second, if you can’t out damage that it’s a skill issue. The healing and damage numbers are extremely subpar, the piercing effect is what makes it good. But most importantly, Moira duel potential and sustain is the only thing that makes her somewhat viable, she doesn’t have the game changing utility most supports have (nade, lamp, suzu, dmg boost, etc).

[InnCognito]

Sorry, but Moira is pretty much "brainless" gameplay. Reason being. Spams damage orbs, spams healing orbs, auto-lock biotic grasp (Yes it does lock on, unlike symmetra).

Raidboss is what Moira is. Moira mains dont want this changed (obviously). If we place a "no skill rating on Heroes it would be:

1. Torb.
2. Sym
3. Moira

Being top 3. Sorry, nothing special about them.

[ZERO]

Shes fun, you should try her. Moira, Lucio, Brigitte, Zenyatta and now Juno are all super fun depending on the situation. For me anyway.