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As I, and many others have said, you're arguing in bad faith and intentionally looking to be angry. I don't see any reason to continue this discussion.
I think it speaks volumes that you jump to the conclusion that someone is angry when there's been nothing but a discussion.
Projecting frustration when someone asks you questions because they find your beliefs oddly immovable, especially when claiming the contrary that you're the one being 'reasonable' would far more satisfy the conditions of 'bad faith'.
Yeah, okay.
If someone does not even understand the fundamentals of the topic they're talking about, that identity does not necessarily have anything to do with attraction and conflating the two is disingenuous and ignorant, then they should get called out.
Not sure why you would assume not mincing words and calling a spade a spade as the saying goes has anything to do with anger.
TLDR AT THE BOTTOM
my friend isnt a pedofile because he CHOOSES TO BE BETTER. HE DOESNT LET HIS ATTRACTIONS HE WAS BORN WITH IDENTIFY HIM. lgbt people weather its attractions or identification caused by whatever im ignorant of, since apparently i know nothing according to some of you, CHOOSE TO PSYCHOLOGICALLY ATTACK PEOPLE WHO DO NOT ACCEPT THEM. this is wrong. you can be born with a desire to be something your not because of confusion up in your head, or you can be born with attractions to children or animals, BUT THAT DOES NOT DEFINE YOU! YOU ARE NOT THOSE THINGS YOU ARE YOUR CHOICES!
i cant stress that enough as my opinion. so if you dont like my opinion thats okay. your entitled to yours. just dont expect me to believe im a bad person for choosing to be comfortable. i assert there are lines that you do not cross and i will not cross those lines ever. i am sorry but to me its not natural.
the human race will not survive on psychology. as for me trying to define biology im not defining anything because im not god. i was born a male that simple. and you were born either male or female. at the end of the day you are born with certain things you cant control. all lgbt are doing is trying to reject conventionalism and trying to force change to the idealogies of today on everyone and then throwing fits when they dont get their way. im not going to change just because children want to throw fits. even if society chooses to give in to lgbt tantrums i will not change. i dont agree with it and im not a slave. so i will not be forced into something im not comfortable with. thats just how i am. and if that makes me a bad person to you then so be it.
we all have our way. and no matter what you choose in life there will always be someone who doesnt like you. so if you want to choose the path of others must accept that you identify as this, or that you have the right to be gay then go for it. BUT THERE ARE CONSEQUENCES FOR YOUR ACTIONS. and there are those of us who do not appreciate being forced to cross lines we dont want to cross just because you think its acceptable.
TLDR: my friend is his choices not his condition of being attracted to children. we are our choices. that is my opinion. i do not define biology god does or whoever our creator is. no matter what you think you are you still have reproductive organs that keep the human race going. and those reproductive organs are what are used to create life. as such we have a system that uses those organs to define what you are. and that is the system i believe in not this new system lgbt are trying to force on everyone that its psychology instead. you are who you choose to be. and choosing to force idealogies on others simply because its more acceptable to you will create conflict. your actions have consequences.
as i said in my previous post i dont define anything. im not the one forcing my ideals on others. lgbt are the ones trying to force ideals and redefine what gender is. i could say something similiar to what you said to me. lgbt dont get to say what gender is. who are you lgbt to define what is gender? male and female have been around for 1000s of years. lgbt movement started when exactly? the 60s or 1920s? how many years is that? 60 years? 100 years? compared to 1000s of years? who do you kids think you are thinking you can change a system thats been around for centuries? the arrogance.
that is the height of hubris. infact dont lgbt speak of pride? so i dont think im wrong to say lgbt have a hubris and there are plenty of wise old sayings that talk about pride that have also been around for a long time. THERE IS PRIDE BEFORE THE FALL.
you kids have your way as do we all. there are consequences for your actions. you dont force ideals on others and expect welcoming arms. you dont cross moral or natural lines and expect good results. i understand you have things about you that you want accepted but not everyone is going to accept you no matter who you are or what you do. there will always be people who dont like you. THAT DOES NOT GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO FORCE ACCEPTANCE ON OTHERS. AND I FOR ONE WILL NOT BE FORCED TO CHANGE. ITS NOT YOUR PLACE TO CHANGE ME.
and if that makes me some old man thats gonna die on a hill given too much rope then so be it. if that makes me ignorant or a homophobe or not open to new ideas even though im always learning new things, or if that makes me a terrible person given breath, or that makes me ...................... (please put your label on the dotted line) then so be it. i know my stance in the world and i have my peace with my life. and that peace will not be changed by other people's opinions nor will it be changed by movements created by groups of people who feel this need to force change upon the world because they are proud of their conditions.
thanks again for the discussion. it was most educational.
thats because you believe that his condition defines him. not everyone lets what we are born with define us. there are people out there who understand that the choices you make have a much bigger impact on the world around you then what you were born with. i hope you understand that someday.
you are entitled to your opinion kid. i have nothing more to say. im sorry but i cant keep having this discussion forever. again i have said all i can really say about all this. we can talk about this all day but it wont change that we disagree with each other. i agree to disagree. i hope you do as well.
There were those who would have defended their right to have sexual relations with minors, back when it was societally acceptable, telling us all nothing would change them.
There were those who would have stoned homosexuals to death with their own hands, because back then it was considered the morally right thing to do.
There were those who would have defended the right to own other humans as slaves as it was commonly accepted back then, and said those who criticized them were busybodies who had no right telling them what to do.
There were those who would have tortured and burned those who had other beliefs as witches and heretics because they were the ones who were in the moral wrong, participating in 'unnatural' acts by refusing to believe in the 'true' faith.
There were those who would have sent healthy people to asylums to be tortured and maimed, to be 'fixed', because those were 'their' moral lines that were absolute and not to be crossed.
We were all wrong to tell them that morality is shaped by society as it grows, not something chiseled in stone like commandments for all eternity from some fairy tale.
You stand in great company with all those who were equally perfect, all knowing, all righteous human beings who knew better than anyone else, who refused to be changed.
Indeed, I'm sure we've all learned something very much worth remembering from this discussion.
I think devs did a really good job in confusing us with Venture's gender. For me its a male with a female voice. But it could also be a female that looks like a guy. For me Venture is and always will be a "he". I realise it can get me reported and banned, I think its a really silly reason to ban someone but such is the time period that we live in rn.
yes i agree he does seem like a guy to me because i didnt see any breasts on him. ill take a second look though when he is released in season 10.
and yes i also agree it is silly to ban people over refusing to use labels a certain way. but i suppose when groups of people support foundational idealogies that should change with the times you cant expect true stability from that let alone a community with true peace. and in my opinion that would explain why ow devs are struggling so hard to keep the community under control.
thats why countries have constitutions that never change with the times. its important to have corner stone ideals that stand the tests of time even if the ideals of communities change. solid bedrock is needed to hold up the foundations of something on solid ground. if we constantly change core beliefs we end up on sand. sand shifts and crumbles. that makes a poor foundation for anything to be built upon be it communities, societies, buildings, ways of life etc.