Mercy's Design is Terrible.

[CrimsonZako]

Title, I honestly don't know where to start with her, no one else had as much debated controversy as Mercy until they introduced Sombra going invisible, but at least she can't completely turn the tables as frequently as Mercy.

She has the lowest skill floor and ceiling I've ever seen in an FPS shooter. Actually she requires no skill at all. Her gameplay is designed purely on their teamates skill and even they won't have much considering she's always hiding behind a tank with high health and DPS, so it's pretty much safe anyway.

Her gameplay is also just boring. I honestly don't see why people like to play her unless they just like seeing "You Win!" on their freaking screen, not to mention she's insanely popular in pick rates. It's just absurd, this is easily the worst designed character in all of shooting game history, people who disagree probably just got crutched by a Mercy.

[ゴ『M.P. Firebrand』ゴ]

Escrito originalmente por Shaelent:

Escrito originalmente por Ernesto:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1zabI8Brg4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgcqiUENUk0
oh yeah the goty game who recieves constant updates including butchering content in the recent years, ruining mechanics and breaking hitboxes.
No weapon inspection good.
No ability tree what
But more awful stuff for her (like the recent 19 dolar skins) why
also the r34 stuff of that character is rusty as hell jesuschrist
and puting more salt in the wound, other characters can handle the role of battle support better than her.

Like I said, the game hasn't gone the direction they announced which warrants hate and frustration because the point of its new start was to have PvE content thats been scrapped but at least it actually gets updated unlike TF2. As for Mercy, she isn't the only character receiving 20$ skins and the gooner content for any fictional character in general is funny in a sad way. Mercy isn't meant to be a DPS support, the best thing that she can do is take picks on low health enemies but other than that there is no way to change Mercy without making her extremely frustrating to verse but at least she doesn't have old res. Mercy has been one of the worst tier supports for a long while now, even if she was changed to be better people will still complain like they already do with just about any hero lmao

Anyway, TL;DR if you hate Overwatch then be more productive with your time and play something else instead of sitting in forums obsessing about it and comparing a dead game to a bad game.

TF2 still gets updates and support. just not giant large ones like we used to have. we just havent had a major update (I.E. adding new weapons, balance changes, and bug fixes) in a few years bc we only have 1 dev. give Eric and his potted plant a break, they're working tirelessly unlike blizzard who is probably too busy beating their ♥♥♥♥♥♥ to crank out quality content so they put out quick shovelware every so often to make up for lost content, knowing you shills will eat it up.

[Shaelent]

Escrito originalmente por ゴ『M.P. Firebrand』ゴ:

Escrito originalmente por Shaelent:

Like I said, the game hasn't gone the direction they announced which warrants hate and frustration because the point of its new start was to have PvE content thats been scrapped but at least it actually gets updated unlike TF2. As for Mercy, she isn't the only character receiving 20$ skins and the gooner content for any fictional character in general is funny in a sad way. Mercy isn't meant to be a DPS support, the best thing that she can do is take picks on low health enemies but other than that there is no way to change Mercy without making her extremely frustrating to verse but at least she doesn't have old res. Mercy has been one of the worst tier supports for a long while now, even if she was changed to be better people will still complain like they already do with just about any hero lmao

Anyway, TL;DR if you hate Overwatch then be more productive with your time and play something else instead of sitting in forums obsessing about it and comparing a dead game to a bad game.

TF2 still gets updates and support. just not giant large ones like we used to have. we just havent had a major update (I.E. adding new weapons, balance changes, and bug fixes) in a few years bc we only have 1 dev. give Eric and his potted plant a break, they're working tirelessly unlike blizzard who is probably too busy beating their ♥♥♥♥♥♥ to crank out quality content so they put out quick shovelware every so often to make up for lost content, knowing you shills will eat it up.

I'm pretty sure TF2 has more than 1 developer, either way that game has been neglected for a long time and is still pretty much a dead game. Coming onto OW forums and making TF2 your personality isn't going to save it, so again you should really just be more productive with your time instead of hatewatching these forums.

[Silverlight]

It made a lot more sense before the rest of the game was terrible for her.

[Froog]

Escrito originalmente por Ernesto:

Escrito originalmente por Shaelent:

You're comparing a dead Valve game that hasn't been updated for years and left in the dust to Overwatch who won game of the year that still gets updates even if the game didn't go the direction they announced. You can hate Overwatch, but comparing TF2 is silly. It's all you've been doing for several months in OW2 forums, something tells me TF2 forums aren't too exciting for you if you're still here obsessing about a game you hate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1zabI8Brg4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgcqiUENUk0
oh yeah the goty game who recieves constant updates including butchering content in the recent years, ruining mechanics and breaking hitboxes.
No weapon inspection good.
No ability tree what
But more awful stuff for her (like the recent 19 dolar skins) why
also the r34 stuff of that character is rusty as hell jesuschrist
and puting more salt in the wound, other characters can handle the role of battle support better than her.

for mercy it's always been a projectile with a big hitbox
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtaI-o1xk0o

tf2 does the same
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wGcNzFd3as

[Ernesto]

Escrito originalmente por Froog:

Escrito originalmente por Ernesto:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1zabI8Brg4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgcqiUENUk0
oh yeah the goty game who recieves constant updates including butchering content in the recent years, ruining mechanics and breaking hitboxes.
No weapon inspection good.
No ability tree what
But more awful stuff for her (like the recent 19 dolar skins) why
also the r34 stuff of that character is rusty as hell jesuschrist
and puting more salt in the wound, other characters can handle the role of battle support better than her.

for mercy it's always been a projectile with a big hitbox
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtaI-o1xk0o

tf2 does the same
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wGcNzFd3as

analizing your video
>Enable sv_cheats 1 in the console
>Put cl_ent_bbox
>this can work if the user can enable sv_cheats in first place
>but this can easily avoided if a player blocks the objective
>also this always works if you inject the system of cheats like ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ or rijin also let the malware and spyware infect your computer too.
now you say mercy always keep the big hitboxes right?
since 2018 and then years later in season 9 of overwatch the hitboxes become more worse than ever.
evidence?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgkI0d31Pmc&t=263s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4zBvNs0uN4&t=25s
the chat in thier inside of themselves really hate it and well in consecuence abuse it to win more matches, plus the autohealing to every hero making the matches a complete mess.
support autohealing has sense but every hero has autohealing?
why homie WHY
in conclusion: seeing your hero ending worse and worse is like watching a car crash in slowmotion every "Update" to your alive game is another deep wound in them.

Quoting Moira voiceline for (you)
Your injuries are fascinating.

[Ernesto]

And also to conclude this chat i preffer to choose better heroes who can defend better than her.
Zenyatta
Ana
even lucio or baptiste.
i will choose brigitte if she doesnt have suffered NERF after N E R F to the ground
oh ffs even illari and her solar rifle can handle the broken hitboxes to her favour and even her Pylon and her ULTIMATE attack can be useful when we refer to defend a zone from the enemies.

[MoeE6K]

u have no clue what your talking about shes a high skill hero to play well

[Froog]

Escrito originalmente por Ernesto:

Escrito originalmente por Froog:

for mercy it's always been a projectile with a big hitbox
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtaI-o1xk0o

tf2 does the same
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wGcNzFd3as

analizing your video
>Enable sv_cheats 1 in the console
>Put cl_ent_bbox
>this can work if the user can enable sv_cheats in first place
>but this can easily avoided if a player blocks the objective
>also this always works if you inject the system of cheats like ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ or rijin also let the malware and spyware infect your computer too.
now you say mercy always keep the big hitboxes right?
since 2018 and then years later in season 9 of overwatch the hitboxes become more worse than ever.
evidence?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgkI0d31Pmc&t=263s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4zBvNs0uN4&t=25s
the chat in thier inside of themselves really hate it and well in consecuence abuse it to win more matches, plus the autohealing to every hero making the matches a complete mess.
support autohealing has sense but every hero has autohealing?
why homie WHY
in conclusion: seeing your hero ending worse and worse is like watching a car crash in slowmotion every "Update" to your alive game is another deep wound in them.

Quoting Moira voiceline for (you)
Your injuries are fascinating.

those are not cheats thats how tf2's hitbox work when dealing with projectiles, even valve uses a giant collision box for projectiles, it's just game design, even going back to quake no arena shooter uses 100% model accurate hitboxes

you really only find model accurate hitboxes in tac shooters but those games are not projectile focused

mercy's blaster has always had a big hitbox, they made it slightly bigger, doubt anybody is complaining about dying to mercy's blaster, it only does 20 damage, you need to get hit 12 times if you are at range you can just dodge the slow moving projectiles

[Ernesto]

Escrito originalmente por Froog:

Escrito originalmente por Ernesto:

analizing your video
>Enable sv_cheats 1 in the console
>Put cl_ent_bbox
>this can work if the user can enable sv_cheats in first place
>but this can easily avoided if a player blocks the objective
>also this always works if you inject the system of cheats like ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ or rijin also let the malware and spyware infect your computer too.
now you say mercy always keep the big hitboxes right?
since 2018 and then years later in season 9 of overwatch the hitboxes become more worse than ever.
evidence?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgkI0d31Pmc&t=263s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4zBvNs0uN4&t=25s
the chat in thier inside of themselves really hate it and well in consecuence abuse it to win more matches, plus the autohealing to every hero making the matches a complete mess.
support autohealing has sense but every hero has autohealing?
why homie WHY
in conclusion: seeing your hero ending worse and worse is like watching a car crash in slowmotion every "Update" to your alive game is another deep wound in them.

Quoting Moira voiceline for (you)
Your injuries are fascinating.

those are not cheats thats how tf2's hitbox work when dealing with projectiles, even valve uses a giant collision box for projectiles, it's just game design, even going back to quake no arena shooter uses 100% model accurate hitboxes

mercy's blaster has always had a big hitbox, they made it slightly bigger, doubt anybody is complaining about dying to mercy's blaster, it only does 20 damage, you need to get hit 12 times if you are at range you can just dodge the slow moving projectiles

i seen more and more mistakes in your post.

quake arena shooter is different than you say.
-They give you a big arsenal to defend yourself and frag other enemies in the lobbies (Grenade Launcher, Railgun, RL, Thunderbolt, one barrel shotgun, etc etc also grapple too)
Also the main abilities there is the function of the weapons and the different things to do also the perks can make you powerful but at the same time punishes you for not using in the right way the perks
°Quad Damage gives more damage and more vulnerability to explosions
°Pentagram of protection gives your invencibilty for 30 seconds
°Haste make your movement go more faster but gives not more than that
°other perks and powerups can reward you and punish you too

meanwhile in overwatch you need to defend with the few weapons of your hero choice, the abilities and ultimates can make the difference but at the same time punishing less giving you an autowin if you perform faster than the enemy (there exceptions Lucio Soundbarrier, Ashe B.0.B, Nano Boost can make a lot of combos, Illari captive sun, Sojourn overclock it need a good aim to blast them without be killed, Sigma gravity flux, Widowmaker Infrasight to find the enemy team and neutralize them, Reinhardt Earthshatter to start a teamfight with a AOE stun and win time to attack, Zarya Gravity surge to chains all the enemies and destroy them in a certain place of the map) the rest of the abilities are good like Molter core destructive but understandable bc is a Area of Effect in the floor can be countered but them we have Sombra EMP, Cage Fight Mauga, Whole Hog roadhog and many others who is literally a autowin if press Q more faster than the enemy.

Also in Quake the hitboxes remain clean and squarely, perfectly balanced for every player who wants to play a match.
meanwhile in overwatch the hitboxes has aged like milk

"mercy's blaster has always had a big hitbox, they made it slightly bigger, doubt anybody is complaining about dying to mercy's blaster"
you cant even see the video or even try to open overwatch 2 and watch how the hitboxes increased to the point can make a headshot in 5 spaces away from the head.
or you need to watch more proof why why you say..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wo3Sdvr5pAM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwWSzqf2jMw
Why why BAC exists
Blizzard Allow cheats and these cant be taken down
None so blind as those who will not see

[Herrfrodo]

Nope the Original Mercy/Zen/Lucio have actually the best design with clear punishment its the overkitted new heroes(everything after ana) thats actually the "worst" design this game has to offer

[Froog]

Escrito originalmente por Ernesto:

Escrito originalmente por Froog:

those are not cheats thats how tf2's hitbox work when dealing with projectiles, even valve uses a giant collision box for projectiles, it's just game design, even going back to quake no arena shooter uses 100% model accurate hitboxes

mercy's blaster has always had a big hitbox, they made it slightly bigger, doubt anybody is complaining about dying to mercy's blaster, it only does 20 damage, you need to get hit 12 times if you are at range you can just dodge the slow moving projectiles

i seen more and more mistakes in your post.

quake arena shooter is different than you say.
-They give you a big arsenal to defend yourself and frag other enemies in the lobbies (Grenade Launcher, Railgun, RL, Thunderbolt, one barrel shotgun, etc etc also grapple too)
Also the main abilities there is the function of the weapons and the different things to do also the perks can make you powerful but at the same time punishes you for not using in the right way the perks
°Quad Damage gives more damage and more vulnerability to explosions
°Pentagram of protection gives your invencibilty for 30 seconds
°Haste make your movement go more faster but gives not more than that
°other perks and powerups can reward you and punish you too

meanwhile in overwatch you need to defend with the few weapons of your hero choice, the abilities and ultimates can make the difference but at the same time punishing less giving you an autowin if you perform faster than the enemy (there exceptions Lucio Soundbarrier, Ashe B.0.B, Nano Boost can make a lot of combos, Illari captive sun, Sojourn overclock it need a good aim to blast them without be killed, Sigma gravity flux, Widowmaker Infrasight to find the enemy team and neutralize them, Reinhardt Earthshatter to start a teamfight with a AOE stun and win time to attack, Zarya Gravity surge to chains all the enemies and destroy them in a certain place of the map) the rest of the abilities are good like Molter core destructive but understandable bc is a Area of Effect in the floor can be countered but them we have Sombra EMP, Cage Fight Mauga, Whole Hog roadhog and many others who is literally a autowin if press Q more faster than the enemy.

Also in Quake the hitboxes remain clean and squarely, perfectly balanced for every player who wants to play a match.
meanwhile in overwatch the hitboxes has aged like milk

"mercy's blaster has always had a big hitbox, they made it slightly bigger, doubt anybody is complaining about dying to mercy's blaster"
you cant even see the video or even try to open overwatch 2 and watch how the hitboxes increased to the point can make a headshot in 5 spaces away from the head.
or you need to watch more proof why why you say..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wo3Sdvr5pAM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwWSzqf2jMw
Why why BAC exists
Blizzard Allow cheats and these cant be taken down
None so blind as those who will not see

These are videos of people cheating, the reason they can hit headshots that are 5 spaces off is a combination of hitbox size and latency, the cheating software is not human. Someone rage hacking in tf2 will also look this way.

If you want tight hitboxes, you won't find them in games inspired by arena shooters. The hitboxes in these games are intentionally larger to accommodate player movement and latency.

The hitboxes in Quake are also like this, but it doesn't matter because everyone is zooming around the map at high speeds. For Quake Champions, they initially experimented with model-accurate hitboxes but switched to using several large capsules around the limbs of the characters, similar to Overwatch. Quakelive has essentially just one large capsule that doesn't account for gaps in the character model. In quake 3 it was a giant box around the character and it was that way in quakelive before they changed it.
Old:
https://www.quakehaus.com/archiv/quakelive/waffen/ql_hitboxen_cubic_crash.jpg

New:
https://imgur.com/fV4dbHJ

Also I don't know what you are saying about needing to use an ult to counter torbs ult, you can just not step on it, all of the ults have counter play, you have to track what abilities can shutdown your ult or make sure that hero is out of the fight.

Also tf2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AT8bIdnbM_w

[SparklySpartan04]

No, Mercy is good. And my opinion is 100% correct