Impossible to rank up

[Uchiha Madara]

Every time when i get a win streak (ranks gold 3-platinum 5) and it doesn't actually matter how many like 5,8,10 games so after that i automatically get a lose streak. And I don't get it at all. Like during lose streak every game seems just impossible to win, my team is always much weaker, bad pick, bad performance etc. and then somehow it becomes a win streak again and now it's an ok team and i actually can play and do something until a new lose streak. Is that how the system works or something? Because it can't be just a coincidence.

[Froog]

Uchiha Madara lähetti viestin:

Froog lähetti viestin:

i don't mean to be rude but your rank in ow is a reflection of your current skill, i can easily carry a plat lobby, and i'm only diamond/masters (and i still make lots of mistakes every game)

this game is more like dota/league than cs, you need all the awareness of dota to play this game, tracking abilities, resources, ults, cds, and enemy/teammate positions

on every role there is always something you can do in a match to swing the outcome, if you feel stuck i suggest you get some coaching or watch some high quality high level guides

in every multiplayer game there are people who will blame the game for their rank instead of their own gameplay, but this will get you nowhere, everyone who is high ranked has ranked up through the same system, the only way to consistently rank up is to keep getting better

1. I don't wanna be rude either but are you sure you can easily get through plat? Because i wouldn't be, i mean yeah you can but you will be struggling as everyone else even if you're kinda smurf or something

2. Agree 100% so again who said i don't do that? But it doesn't mean everyone in my team does the same or even trying

3. You can, BUT as i said before it's just not enough. And this part about coaching and watching high level gameplay, dude again it doesn't make your team better, you can't play solo and even if you could it'd be so wrong

4. This is the part where i hardly disagree. So how can you explain that top 500 players dropped to diamond after rank reset? Did they forget how to play? Flats and KarQ got the biggest lose streak they ever had in OW for example. And the truth is it doesn't matter if you're watching esports or get some coaching, it's all just about do you have the potential or not? You said this will get you nowhere, but i'm pretty sure that among top 500 or even top 50 we have "toxic" people so how could they get there if they blame their team all the time?

I have played in every rank under my rank. I used to be a big timer smurfer but i am reformed and yeah I can't win every game in plat but it's still pretty easy to climb out of and i can get away with so many dumb plays that i would get punished for in my rank.

Watching high level gameplay might not help you that much because things play out differently in higher ranks, but if you watch a high level player do unranked to top 500 it will show you how they play when they have bad teammates.

Flats and KarQ don't care about their rank because they know they are good players and will just climb back up quickly, they aren't interested in minmaxing the game as they are content creators playing for entailment, you should check out some educational creators like Spilo instead, KarQ does have some good educational videos for newer/casual players but his primary goal is still to be entertaining.

You don't have to worry about how your team plays you can have a massive impact on the game, it's just different from other fps games, it's closer to a moba dota/league in the type of skillset you need to use. In league you can also solo carry, I never got much into dota but i assume it's the same. If you want a game that will reward you for just having raw fps mechanical skill this isn't the game for you.

Tbh don't worry about your rank or your team just never stop trying to become a better player your rank will go up without you even realizing.

And yeah there are toxic people in every rank, but no one was born knowing how to play overwatch, everyone who is consistently high ranked had to work on their own personal skill to get there. I just mean overall the higher in ranks you go the better competitive mindset most people will start to have.

[Froog]

itzDerrio lähetti viestin:

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ think 1 person can do everybody else job vs 5 other people & win. someone post me a replay of 1 person single-handedly beating 5 people in overwatch , i’ll wait . post the 1v5

It's not about 1v5 this isn't like csgo, do people 1v5 in league? It's not possible unless the enemy team is so bad.

You can still carry tho:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGhnxiRViPM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxRQscb6Vbo&list=PLSHw7_6g_AKvyv_Mw6zwDmViVqASPKVgq

[ゴ『M.P. Firebrand』ゴ]

if this was tf2 id say skill issue but seeing what others say about the system, yeah i dont blame you it sounds rigged

[OMEGA]

Uchiha Madara lähetti viestin:

Every time when i get a win streak (ranks gold 3-platinum 5) and it doesn't actually matter how many like 5,8,10 games so after that i automatically get a lose streak. And I don't get it at all. Like during lose streak every game seems just impossible to win, my team is always much weaker, bad pick, bad performance etc. and then somehow it becomes a win streak again and now it's an ok team and i actually can play and do something until a new lose streak. Is that how the system works or something? Because it can't be just a coincidence.

yeah i opened a discussion about this a few mins ago, the new ranked system doesnt allow even top 500 players to get out of plat with a 15 game winstreak (Awkward streamed today U2GM on lucio went 15-2 and didnt rank up out of plat 2, he was rank 1 in OW1 and OW2)

[Froog]

OMEGA lähetti viestin:

Uchiha Madara lähetti viestin:

Every time when i get a win streak (ranks gold 3-platinum 5) and it doesn't actually matter how many like 5,8,10 games so after that i automatically get a lose streak. And I don't get it at all. Like during lose streak every game seems just impossible to win, my team is always much weaker, bad pick, bad performance etc. and then somehow it becomes a win streak again and now it's an ok team and i actually can play and do something until a new lose streak. Is that how the system works or something? Because it can't be just a coincidence.

yeah i opened a discussion about this a few mins ago, the new ranked system doesnt allow even top 500 players to get out of plat with a 15 game winstreak (Awkward streamed today U2GM on lucio went 15-2 and didnt rank up out of plat 2, he was rank 1 in OW1 and OW2)

I watched the stream he lost 2 of his placement games, and only played 7 games in plat, he will get to gm eventually, this guys tag line is literally "It's not your teammates fault you are not winning." and then he plugs his coaching services, the "Rank Up Academy" thing.

He only had a few hours to play lucio give him some time lol.

[OMEGA]

Froog lähetti viestin:

ゴ『M.P. Firebrand』ゴ lähetti viestin:

if this was tf2 id say skill issue but seeing what others say about the system, yeah i dont blame you it sounds rigged

do you think ranks are cosmetic?

well... they are, why do you think each rank has a name? and not just make it invisible like in unranked?

[Froog]

OMEGA lähetti viestin:

Froog lähetti viestin:

do you think ranks are cosmetic?

well... they are, why do you think each rank has a name? and not just make it invisible like in unranked?

i guess but you guys act like ranking up is just rng

[OMEGA]

Froog lähetti viestin:

OMEGA lähetti viestin:

yeah i opened a discussion about this a few mins ago, the new ranked system doesnt allow even top 500 players to get out of plat with a 15 game winstreak (Awkward streamed today U2GM on lucio went 15-2 and didnt rank up out of plat 2, he was rank 1 in OW1 and OW2)

I watched the stream he lost 2 of his placement games, and only played 7 games in plat, he will get to gm eventually, this guys tag line is literally "It's not your teammates fault you are not winning." and then he plugs his coaching services, the "Rank Up Academy" thing.

He only had a few hours to play lucio give him some time lol.

the thing is in the old system by the same time the game figured out what his actual rank is.
if you think about it, why would a ranked system allow a top 500 player to play against plat players? imagine yourself playing against him, would that be fun to you? i play ranked to be matched against player that are at my skill to see if i can improve.


edit: typo

[hypadao]

OMEGA lähetti viestin:

the thing is in the old system by the same time the game figured out what his actual rank is.
if you think about it, why would a ranked system allow a top 500 player be playing against plat players? imagine yourself playing against him, would that be fun to you? i play ranked to be matched against player that are at my rank to see if i can improve.

The matchmaking doesn't care about your cosmetic rank, just checks the range of the match. If you are at the higher end, the matchmaking thinks you are overrated, and if you are at the lower end, it thinks you are underrated.

Awkward is not a good example since he rigged his rank in order to have something to climb, because otherwise, he would pop into the master/GM/top 500 at the end of the placement matches, and that would be boring.

[Froog]

OMEGA lähetti viestin:

Froog lähetti viestin:

I watched the stream he lost 2 of his placement games, and only played 7 games in plat, he will get to gm eventually, this guys tag line is literally "It's not your teammates fault you are not winning." and then he plugs his coaching services, the "Rank Up Academy" thing.

He only had a few hours to play lucio give him some time lol.

the thing is in the old system by the same time the game figured out what his actual rank is.
if you think about it, why would a ranked system allow a top 500 player to play against plat players? imagine yourself playing against him, would that be fun to you? i play ranked to be matched against player that are at my skill to see if i can improve.


edit: typo

He is playing only lucio on a fresh smurf acc, no swaps or nothing. He is also not a lucio player. His mains are ana/zen. This is like Flats playing widow. Flats will still stomp in the metal ranks but there are other people who are way more skilled at widow than he is.

The ranked system is the same, they just give you a progress bar instead of keeping it hidden until 5 games. In the mid-season patch they added a new thing where if you rank down you won't lose progress extra progress on the rank below, which is something that should prevent you from losing more for losing streaks.

[Froog]

hypadao lähetti viestin:

OMEGA lähetti viestin:

the thing is in the old system by the same time the game figured out what his actual rank is.
if you think about it, why would a ranked system allow a top 500 player be playing against plat players? imagine yourself playing against him, would that be fun to you? i play ranked to be matched against player that are at my rank to see if i can improve.

The matchmaking doesn't care about your cosmetic rank, just checks the range of the match. If you are at the higher end, the matchmaking thinks you are overrated, and if you are at the lower end, it thinks you are underrated.

Awkward is not a good example since he rigged his rank in order to have something to climb, because otherwise, he would pop into the master/GM/top 500 at the end of the placement matches, and that would be boring.

yeah, you need like 50 games before you can play comp, someone else levels the smurf account for him so it can be comp ready and low rated

[OMEGA]

Froog lähetti viestin:

OMEGA lähetti viestin:

the thing is in the old system by the same time the game figured out what his actual rank is.
if you think about it, why would a ranked system allow a top 500 player to play against plat players? imagine yourself playing against him, would that be fun to you? i play ranked to be matched against player that are at my skill to see if i can improve.


edit: typo

He is playing only lucio on a fresh smurf acc, no swaps or nothing. He is also not a lucio player. His mains are ana/zen. This is like Flats playing widow. Flats will still stomp in the metal ranks but there are other people who are way more skilled at widow than he is.

The ranked system is the same, they just give you a progress bar instead of keeping it hidden until 5 games. In the mid-season patch they added a new thing where if you rank down you won't lose progress extra progress on the rank below, which is something that should prevent you from losing more for losing streaks.

oh ok so youre telling me a rank 1 player with zen is a plat player with lucio?
last season Awkward did U2GM on reaper (as you know he is a support main, mainly ana and zen), do you know how many games it took him to reach GM5? 5 GAMES.
on Hanzo? 5 games to reach Diamond, 15 to reach masters. (INCLUDING PLACEMENTS)
and in the current rank system after 15 win streak do you know where he was placed? PLAT 2. don't you see a problem here?

[Remmurin]

+-90 games 25-30% winrate , i don't remember when i won btw
pretty resembles me old 2017 overwatch comp btw

[hypadao]

OMEGA lähetti viestin:

oh ok so youre telling me a rank 1 player with zen is a plat player with lucio?
last season Awkward did U2GM on reaper (as you know he is a support main, mainly ana and zen), do you know how many games it took him to reach GM5? 5 GAMES.
on Hanzo? 5 games to reach Diamond, 15 to reach masters. (INCLUDING PLACEMENTS)
and in the current rank system after 15 win streak do you know where he was placed? PLAT 2. don't you see a problem here?

has someone else says

Froog lähetti viestin:

yeah, you need like 50 games before you can play comp, someone else levels the smurf account for him so it can be comp ready and low rated

[hypadao]

Волшебная клизма lähetti viestin:

+-90 games 25-30% winrate , i don't remember when i won btw
pretty resembles me old 2017 overwatch comp btw:beatmeat:

Yeah, in 5 years, people will say they want the 50/50 Overwatch back. Life is a loop.