I feel like OW2 is more toxic than OW1 and the reporting system is not actually helping, as much as causing harm.

[DemiseKey]

I'm saying this from the lens that OW2 is 5v5, meaning each bad person's impact or lack thereof is amplified compared to OW1, on paper, and in practice it also means that those people will be called out repeatedly more than anyone else, even if they are just getting into the game, or practicing a new hero, or adjusting to the ever-changing landscape of the game. Hell, even little screw ups brew toxicity, like "Why did my Rein charge in and die? If you had just sat on point, we would've ran it up to 99% and gotten an opportunity for a retake win if we even lost that team fight. Instead we were left with 4v5 and a tank down."That is a scenario that has happened COUNTLESS times to ANY AND EVERY OW player. Now that doesn't mean your Rein is a bad player, or that you're a good player or anything, but the reliance on having a tank every team fight is so heavy it's crazy because everyone does so much damage now. 2-tap Kiriko is a meme at this point, for instance.

Nevermind the fact that OW2 is free to play, and I feel like that causes a more steady influx of new players, comparatively.

I also feel like you're not *allowed* to say anything back if someone is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ on you. If you do, chances are you're going to have 5 people report you before the game's end. And the thing is, it could be asking for someone to switch to something to counter someone on the other team that's doing very good against us. You could point out, "Hey, Sombra is consistently in the back lines getting support and we need help," and it will have a high risk of going poorly. It's happened to everyone, and no matter how politely you say anything, someone will get upset. Might call you all sorts of names. I have reported so many people like this without saying anything back, and I never really get the notification that my reports are doing anything. The problem with trying to call out things that are happening in match that you need help with, like people being in the back taking out supports, is that it's a team based game. It's a team based game that needs communication, and using the chat is often times a risky move for your ability to use it in the future at all, just people people get upset if they think you are implying they're not good at the game.

I have even run across people who just report willy-nilly when they loose, or if someone is typing in chat at all. You can find threads of people saying, "Only reason I started reporting was cause I kept getting reported for no reason lol," or "I got silenced for 2 weeks because I would say, "that's lame," "L," and "you're being lame," and that's literally it."

Hell, I have two games recorded of Widowmaker's using aimbot since the most recent patch, and reporting them has done nothing either. Because it seems the bots running OW2's report system are caring about keywords or amounts of reports and not anything outside of that. And I have seen countless times that you can't appeal, Blizzard just closes the ticket regardless or takes so long that it doesn't matter anymore.

But I see countless threads speaking on how they have been reported for dumb things. It's insane. Here are two, for instance, but you can just google it too.

https://www.reddit.com/r/overwatch2/comments/15qqsve/report_system_in_ow2/

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/overwatch/t/report-system-is-ineffective/801216

[[JRE] Joe Rogan]

I got banned from that for ten days cuz I was saying things like “everytime a blizzard employee gets fired I nut”

Lmaooo I actually don’t even think anyone reported me since I didn’t get a warning or say anything else that would be considered offensive just some blizzard employee read that and got titled hahahahahaha, ♥♥♥♥ them.

The original OW dev team is all gone now anyway this new team is all people leeching off of others work they don’t deserve their jobs tbh

Edit:

What I’m really saying with my post here is that you reporting is irrelevant, I don’t actually believe anyone reported me ultimately. It’s basically whatever mods they have looking through chat logs that matter and what offends them, you can probably be banned for insulting a female for her gender or being fat but if you insult a male for his gender or being fat you probably won’t be, because in the end of the day a mod with their own bias and perceptions is the one making the decisions of what’s ban worthy and what’s not.

And yes THOSE PEOPLE are in fact more toxic and biased in their bans than ever before because they’re your typical Twitter user what do you expect just look at the characters in the game now.

Do you think when Jeff Kaplan and the team made Soldier and Pharah they made those characters to be homosexuals or some thing or were they just making characters for gameplay mechanics and fun? Like the people at Overwatch now don’t even give a ♥♥♥♥ about making a game anymore it’s about their own beliefs and making money and all that trash now so you better get in line of how you’re supposed to act or get banned.

And you’re probably reporting their whales I bet, do you really think they’re gonna ban a whale for a few insults reported by some non paying pleb? Better get paying piggy!

[Parry]

Originally posted by ARC Jordan Peterson:

What I’m really saying with my post here is that you reporting is irrelevant, I don’t actually believe anyone reported me ultimately. It’s basically whatever mods they have looking through chat logs that matter and what offends them, you can probably be banned for insulting a female for her gender or being fat but if you insult a male for his gender or being fat you probably won’t be, because in the end of the day a mod with their own bias and perceptions is the one making the decisions of what’s ban worthy and what’s not.

And yes THOSE PEOPLE are in fact more toxic and biased in their bans than ever before because they’re your typical Twitter user what do you expect just look at the characters in the game now.

Huh?

[Mina]

It seems so, unfortunately. I’ve heard of mass reports might work in favour of wrongful use, though not sure how accurate it is..

[rina]

idk much about the report system, but if someone's rude at you, and you speak more than just english, cuss people off on a language that's not english, or one of "popular" languages like spanish or mandarin.

someone told me to leave (im "nicefying" it here) and i cussed them off on my native language. they got quiet and left me alone💀💀💀

[DemiseKey]

Originally posted by 𝓇𝒾𝓇𝒾:

idk much about the report system, but if someone's rude at you, and you speak more than just english, cuss people off on a language that's not english, or one of "popular" languages like spanish or mandarin.

someone told me to leave (im "nicefying" it here) and i cussed them off on my native language. they got quiet and left me alone💀💀💀

That's such a good tip lol I would assume a problem to arise is people who are racist just reporting you because you "don't speak English" to them, however. I don't know for sure, of course, but I have witnessed people in voice chat being bigots and they might report just because

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[[JRE] Joe Rogan]

For some reason they removed mine 7 days before it was up and I didn't even say anything to them. Guess someone read the forum post and agreed with me over there lol.

[Whomstdve5]

Started playing again after I saw the Moira skin. First game I played, the whole team was targeting me because I played bad. I understand that the tank either wins the game or not but do player's really have to get so mad because they lose one game out of god knows how many. Tank is my least favorite role in the game which is why I struggle with it. The only reason I played as tank was to complete some challenges

[DemiseKey]

Originally posted by itzDerrio:

Originally posted by Whomstdve5:

tank either wins the game or not

and this is why people need to play tank more, because this myth is still going.

I DO play tank. I am good at it. I do play DPS, but focus on just support and tank, because usually I do better at them. You're going to tell me that DPS and Support alone can win against a team with a tank, supports, and DPS? A majority of games that I have played, it is way more likely for you to win with just a good tank and a bad DPS, than it is to win a game with a bad tank and a good DPS. This is absolutely the scenario for a majority of games and players, and it's not a myth if so much of the OW2 player base is stating this. The person you replied to makes an incredibly valid point. They should not get verbally targeted, or reported, because they're learning a role, as stated in the original post.

[Parry]

Originally posted by itzDerrio:

Originally posted by DemiseKey:

it is way more likely for you to win with just a good tank and a bad DPS, than it is to win a game with a bad tank and a good DPS

no its not. youre wrong & it is a myth.

Your comment gives me the impression that you barely play games that utilize the "holy trinity" design. Taking a look at your game collection proves this unless you play those games in their respective launchers.
A dead tank can't mitigate damage. Support (I'm lumping tank with support here. Idk why Overwatch names their roles this way) is the backbone of the party. So, if you don't have a good tank, you're gonna have inconsistent DPS no matter how good your DPS players are.
If the tank is so bad that the entire team focuses tank first or becomes the first to get eliminated, then that is a problem. Don't sit there and act like you know what you're talking about.

[DemiseKey]

Originally posted by Parry:

Originally posted by itzDerrio:

no its not. youre wrong & it is a myth.

Your comment gives me the impression that you barely play games that utilize the "holy trinity" design. Taking a look at your game collection proves this unless you play those games in their respective launchers.
A dead tank can't mitigate damage. Support (I'm lumping tank with support here. Idk why Overwatch names their roles this way) is the backbone of the party. So, if you don't have a good tank, you're gonna have inconsistent DPS no matter how good your DPS players are.
If the tank is so bad that the entire team focuses tank first or becomes the first to get eliminated, then that is a problem. Don't sit there and act like you know what you're talking about.

THANK YOU

[Parry]

Originally posted by itzDerrio:

i have proof that neither one of you are right if you want me to post the screenshots

I have proof like you like to use confirmation bias to try to prove a point.
These are the basics of a roles job. Idk why this is a hard concept to grasp for you.
Losing any of the support roles gives a major disadvantage.

[DemiseKey]

Originally posted by itzDerrio:

Originally posted by Parry:

I have proof like you like to use confirmation bias to try to prove a point.
These are the basics of a roles job. Idk why this is a hard concept to grasp for you.
Losing any of the support roles gives a major disadvantage.

like i said , i have proof that yall are wrong. tank is not the make or break for a team & is dumb af to say .

idc what else you trying to talk about, i’m addressing the “tank carries 4 other people or make them lose “ BS . plenty of diffed tanks get carried by their DPS & Supports.

stop lying

use ur words

[Rocket]

Been that way for years.

Not only have I never met a man that doesn't react to unbalanced games or unbalanced teams, but I used to play this from Overwatch 1 launch up until a year after Overwatch 2 launch.

All 8 girls I used to play with got banned for toxicity too. From normal reactions.

Overwatch 1 & now part 2 were both been intentionally sabotaged to fail. To make all players feel like their competitive emotions are wrong. To demoralize them.

That's why the only truly happy players are pre-made full teams. Anyone pretending otherwise on these forums and elsewhere is just an angry person who wants to make you feel bad because they feel bad.

I bet the 1900 Blizzard employees that lost their jobs are finally feeling bad themselves. Maybe it'll be a wake up call for them.

[Parry]

Originally posted by itzDerrio:

Originally posted by Parry:

I have proof like you like to use confirmation bias to try to prove a point.
These are the basics of a roles job. Idk why this is a hard concept to grasp for you.
Losing any of the support roles gives a major disadvantage.

like i said , i have proof that yall are wrong. tank is not the make or break for a team & is dumb af to say .

idc what else you trying to talk about, i’m addressing the “tank carries 4 other people or make them lose “ BS . plenty of diffed tanks get carried by their DPS & Supports.

stop lying

In no way did I say that the tank needs to carry 4 other players. I don't care if a tank does garbage damage. If a tank can't do its primary goal of being a damage sponge and mitigating damage, then they're a bad tank. Its literally that simple. The amount of damage they do is irrelevant to its primary duty, although its damage can be very helpful.