moira doesnt take skill

[poliakov.noam]

this might be my lucio biase, but she really doesnt take skill, she doesnt need to aim and the range of her attack thingy is huge, her healing is incredibly easy to use, her orbs litteraly aim for you, and she only has one tech with her get out of jail free card ONE TECH. every hero has depth to them. except for her, she doesnt even have any interesting utilaty, like lucios speed or mercys damege boost and revive

moira doesnt take any skill and is very boring, want to play a charcter who has fun mobilaty and doesnt need to aim, but takes skill, play winton.

[Ernesto]

Moira gameplay consist in this:
>Biotic Grasp Alt Fire to attack and defense
>Biotic Grasp ability to heal nearby allies
>Biotic Orb of healing or purple damage the enemies; Spaming this ability to push or defend
>Fade works like reaper Wraith Form but improved
>and her ultimate is just a health n Damage Beam cannon
is simple but effective for us if you want to be a dps but please use the ultimate to heal your allies and use the biotic damage orbs to help to destroy enemies in the teamfights

[Ernesto]

Publicado originalmente por bradams:

Still takes more skill than a Hanzo and the redwod head-seeking trees he calls arrows. At least a Moira has to aim in the general direction of the enemy and maintain it, while Hanzo just has to hold left click till an enemy enters anywhere on the players monitor then when they release it, instant headshot kill.

I have infinitely more respect for a Moira player's skill than a Hanzo player's skill.

ik, the spaming consist in using Storm Arrows and aim to the head for headshot damage.

[Saraphine]

Publicado originalmente por poliakov.noam:

this might be my lucio biase

Lucio takes no skill imo, heal always on, right click to boop away, wallride to get away from enemies.
Oh, but this might just be my Moira biase....

[Merlin]

I would love to see you play Moira live stream for a few hours, link it here and let's see how you do. Case closed. I will say that those who do use her as a main, make it look easy. Not sure if that's just carefully honed skills or her abilities are over reaching.

[Mikozo]

well you still need to aim in the general direction of the enemy, her abilities are about management since from all the supports moira has the lowest healing capacity/cooldown/ammo? unlike other heroes that can heal indefinitely/reload fast and to replenish heals quick you need to damage enemies, you need to aim and predict the orb bounce to get the most healing/damage output as much as possible or else team will get mad at you for being a dps moira

[poliakov.noam]

Publicado originalmente por bradams:

Still takes more skill than a Hanzo and the redwod head-seeking trees he calls arrows. At least a Moira has to aim in the general direction of the enemy and maintain it, while Hanzo just has to hold left click till an enemy enters anywhere on the players monitor then when they release it, instant headshot kill.

I have infinitely more respect for a Moira player's skill than a Hanzo player's skill.

bruh

Publicado originalmente por Ernesto:

Moira gameplay consist in this:
>Biotic Grasp Alt Fire to attack and defense
>Biotic Grasp ability to heal nearby allies
>Biotic Orb of healing or purple damage the enemies; Spaming this ability to push or defend
>Fade works like reaper Wraith Form but improved
>and her ultimate is just a health n Damage Beam cannon
is simple but effective for us if you want to be a dps but please use the ultimate to heal your allies and use the biotic damage orbs to help to destroy enemies in the teamfights

im saying she takes no skill not that she has a bad design, wich to be honest she kinda does, just because something looks good on paper, doesnt make it good in exacution, looking at someones genaral direction is something everyone who knows too look around can do, you do it every time you try too kill someone, moira artifically gets endorsments just because she has an easier time playing the game.

look at another charcter that doesnt need to aim, that can do what moira does but is more balanced and takes skill, pyro from tf2, does what moira does, but deals the least amont of damege in the game after medic, but pyro has lots of utility and has to get a good position to get kills, else they will get mowed down by the supirior damege of the enemy team, moira just has to win a staring contest, or throws a ball to do it for her, or runs away to her team where she can just heal because for how easy it is to aim, it does lots of healing

saying moira takes skills for shooting, is like saying i have talent in cooking, because i put a store bought chicken in the in the microwave

i understand you like moira because having a mad scientist support charcter in overwatches sea of wholesome healers is cool, but if you want to play a mad scientist doctar that shoots healing chemicals, i already mentioned tf2, but go play medic from tf2, because i cant see anyother reason why someone will defend the skill floor and ceiling of moira, other then thinking shes cool

[poliakov.noam]

Publicado originalmente por Saraphine:

Publicado originalmente por poliakov.noam:

this might be my lucio biase

Lucio takes no skill imo, heal always on, right click to boop away, wallride to get away from enemies.
Oh, but this might just be my Moira biase....

i aint gonna defend my boi lucio because this discussion is about moira, but i agree lucio doesnt have much of a skill requirement as other charcters,his heal is definantly easier to use then moiras, but bro have you tried aiming with lucio, and combining it with his wall ride while youre healing and supporting, and if you cant do one of these things, peaple will start blaming you for everything, trust me i know

a lucio who can do that has more skill then a moira any day of the week, who can kill the fastest heros in the game by just looking at them

[SupidSeep]

I was just watching an analysis of DPS "Tik-tok" Moira by KarQ (GM1/T500 Support Player) a year ago at the beginning of OW2, and it's relevant because it highlights the skill needed to make Moira effective at the top.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46J_6NXQcKU

Edit: To add onto this. the Moira player in question has his player profile visible on Overbuff. He apparently hadn't played recently, but his Competitve record speak for itself:

https://www.overbuff.com/players/NolanCoronaV-1511?gameMode=competitive

[poliakov.noam]

Publicado originalmente por SupidSeep:

I was just watching an analysis of DPS "Tik-tok" Moira by KarQ (GM1/T500 Support Player) a year ago at the beginning of OW2, and it's relevant because it highlights the skill needed to make Moira effective at the top.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46J_6NXQcKU

alright, ill take a look, but im gonna go sleep first
edit: you are a chad

[poliakov.noam]

Publicado originalmente por Merlin:

I would love to see you play Moira live stream for a few hours, link it here and let's see how you do. Case closed. I will say that those who do use her as a main, make it look easy. Not sure if that's just carefully honed skills or her abilities are over reaching.

i will play only moira for a whole day, with no experiance in her, comeback with numbers about how i did, if im right ill be happy, and we can move on with our lives, and if im wrong, ill do the walk of shame, and admit i am wrong

[THAT Guy]

Meanwhile there's a mercy bot account that's been running around in qp since ow2 launch with endorsement lv 5..

Ngl it's kinda funny how you can let a half decent bot play mercy, while you chat in the lobby, and no one is the least suspect that it's actually a bot playing mercy..

The point being that's how simple mercy is..

[Ernesto]

Publicado originalmente por poliakov.noam:

Publicado originalmente por bradams:

Still takes more skill than a Hanzo and the redwod head-seeking trees he calls arrows. At least a Moira has to aim in the general direction of the enemy and maintain it, while Hanzo just has to hold left click till an enemy enters anywhere on the players monitor then when they release it, instant headshot kill.

I have infinitely more respect for a Moira player's skill than a Hanzo player's skill.

bruh

Publicado originalmente por Ernesto:

Moira gameplay consist in this:
>Biotic Grasp Alt Fire to attack and defense
>Biotic Grasp ability to heal nearby allies
>Biotic Orb of healing or purple damage the enemies; Spaming this ability to push or defend
>Fade works like reaper Wraith Form but improved
>and her ultimate is just a health n Damage Beam cannon
is simple but effective for us if you want to be a dps but please use the ultimate to heal your allies and use the biotic damage orbs to help to destroy enemies in the teamfights

im saying she takes no skill not that she has a bad design, wich to be honest she kinda does, just because something looks good on paper, doesnt make it good in exacution, looking at someones genaral direction is something everyone who knows too look around can do, you do it every time you try too kill someone, moira artifically gets endorsments just because she has an easier time playing the game.

look at another charcter that doesnt need to aim, that can do what moira does but is more balanced and takes skill, pyro from tf2, does what moira does, but deals the least amont of damege in the game after medic, but pyro has lots of utility and has to get a good position to get kills, else they will get mowed down by the supirior damege of the enemy team, moira just has to win a staring contest, or throws a ball to do it for her, or runs away to her team where she can just heal because for how easy it is to aim, it does lots of healing

saying moira takes skills for shooting, is like saying i have talent in cooking, because i put a store bought chicken in the in the microwave

i understand you like moira because having a mad scientist support charcter in overwatches sea of wholesome healers is cool, but if you want to play a mad scientist doctar that shoots healing chemicals, i already mentioned tf2, but go play medic from tf2, because i cant see anyother reason why someone will defend the skill floor and ceiling of moira, other then thinking shes cool

1- pyro can do many jobs more than moira, defend control points with airblast, reflect proyectiles (stickies and pipes and rockets other types of proyectile like arrows even jarate too); destroy zappers with his melee, spycheking, flanking with his primary weapon, attack enemies in water with the neon aniquilator and many other things, also can do flare jumps and jetpack jumps.

2-if you want to play as a mad scientist you can choose sigma he is more than a wholesome grampa who loves science he is a man who has cross to the insanity and BEYOND and has the adaptability to go back from there bringing back so many things like he literally meet zenyatta god the iris, his voicelines are adorable, his lore is deep and majestic maybe some of his skins are forgotten but there a good choices like talon and his mythic skin or even galactic skin too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IClWe9swEHQ&t=442s

so yeah i agree with you

[poliakov.noam]

sigma is hilarious, i agree with you too, but i meant evil mad scientist supports, not mad scientists like sigma, who isnt evil

[poliakov.noam]

Publicado originalmente por THAT Guy:

Meanwhile there's a mercy bot account that's been running around in qp since ow2 launch with endorsement lv 5..

Ngl it's kinda funny how you can let a half decent bot play mercy, while you chat in the lobby, and no one is the least suspect that it's actually a bot playing mercy..

The point being that's how simple mercy is..

"wow dis mercy pocketing me, best mercy ever"
mercy: 001001010

[THAT Guy]

Publicado originalmente por poliakov.noam:

Publicado originalmente por THAT Guy:

Meanwhile there's a mercy bot account that's been running around in qp since ow2 launch with endorsement lv 5..

Ngl it's kinda funny how you can let a half decent bot play mercy, while you chat in the lobby, and no one is the least suspect that it's actually a bot playing mercy..

The point being that's how simple mercy is..

"wow dis mercy pocketing me, best mercy ever"
mercy: 001001010

The person behind it, their end game is to offer a pocket mercy rental service..

Or so is my assumption, they might just be doing it to test their coding ability..

People In the coding community can be weird, I know I've done things just to prove I could or just to cause chaos..