Is DPS in this bad of shape?

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This is the first time since I role que was implemented, that I only ever get DPS when quing open.

[EldritchBlast]

why do these discussions always descend into people writing whole essays every message

[KOS-MOS]

Originally posted by Abdul Fazl ur Rahman Mohammad:

Originally posted by KOS-MOS:

Only lucio, Ana, Baptiste and Moira can heal themself. And with only one ability, meaning that once they used it, they're dead

Brigitte needs to hit you to heal herself, so obviously you don't fight her at close range in order to prevent that.

Ilari, break her healing pylone = no heal

Mercy, Zen, Kiriko, LW can't heal themself


And tank and dps have healing and stun abilities too. Do you even play the game lol ?

Soldier and Sombra have mobility and healing, and Sombra prevent you from using any abilities LOL
Mei is invicible and heal herself
Reaper has lifesteal
Pharah and Echo can fly
Symm and Tracer teleport
JR trap
Genji deflect and high mobility

all this isn't enough ?

Same for tank,

Zarya bubbles
Ball high mobility
RH self heal non stop that requires Ana to stop him
Rein shatter
Winston non stop jumps
Dva second life + can fly

etc etc

Dude complain about supp because they re not disabled dummies you can hit for free. Cry much LOL

kriko and lw can heal themselves
sombra dosent have a healing ability
with reaper you sacrify your long and mid range potential for self healing
mei is invincible and heals herself but you become an ice block so if you use it in a bad spot you become a free kill
plus for some reason you stoped discribing self healing abilites and started to talk about some random abilities?
symmetras teleport is a stationary object that can be easily destoryed
tracers entier kit is based around her just "teleporting" and it acually requires good manegment to be successful
jr traps are also an objet that is pretty easy to tell where it is. so its easy to destory it
genjis deflect isnt that good agaisnt any character that has a beam like ability like moira and genjis mobilty is based around how good of a genji you are. so yeah
zaryas bubbles are strong because she has nothing else in her kit
ball is build around his high mobilit he dosent have the damage so he has mobilty
you dont need a ana to kill him but i think roadhogs healing is too strong right now
winstone can jump "non stop" because in a 1v1 he isnt as strong as other tanks
deva has a defense matrix similar to genjis deflect so any sort of beam she is weak against
and like reaper she dosent really do any damage until the 10m mark so she has strong mobilty and a second life because any other tank can kill her easily
people are complaining about supp because some of them are just dps with stonger abilities are. they are sacrifficing nothing and are still op.

you said only support has all other class abilities - stun, damage, mobility, plus heal.

Which is complely stupid ? Or you never played that game, just say it lol.

You find Stun, dmg, mobility + heal in every role. So should support be completly disabled just because you can't land a shot ?

[Kakaru]

Originally posted by itzDerrio:

why are you so biased man? its only one damn tank on the team and they're the biggest, easiest, targets that get focused by everyone even ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ supports & have to be on the frontline

I feel like you think I'm advocating towards a tank nerf in these circumstances : I'm not, you can't have it any other way because it's a 5v5
what I'm advocating against is 5v5 being a thing at all
imagine if 5v5 meant 2 tanks, 2 dps and 1 support
to balance it out now the support becomes nigh unkillable : would the game be balanced ? possibly yes. would the game be ass ? also yes, because something can be balanced and unfun at the same time, and while tanks are having a blast now ( compared to ow1 ) supports and especially dps are enjoying the game less

EDIT : tanks probably are not enjoying it as much anyway because counterpicking forces you to play something you don't want to play out of necessity, but as said below counterpicking is an issue created by the power imbalance between tanks and everyone else so meh, nobody wins

Because a huge portion of the playerbase is bad at the game

sounds pretty biased to me

my statement was disproving you saying they were 50/50 in 1v1s in overwatch 1. no they were not.

ye I didn't say that, I said "in ow1 it was way closer to a 50/50 than it is now for sure"

and you saying they should not have an advantage in 1v1 fights.

yes ideally they shouldn't
if anything dps characters should have a slight advantage in that regard since that's their role
ideally all roles should be just as impactful and ideally it shouldn't matter which guy got picked off before the fight started
in this idealistic scenario counterpicking tanks wouldn't be such a strong strategy (since you'd counterpick a player who is just as impactful as the next one), games wouldn't be decided by tank diff and the game would be smoother

no they shouldnt have a fair chance against everyone

I'm starting to think you cannot understand hypotheticals : you're complaining about the fact that supports have a fair chance against everyone ( which is something I stated btw and now you're throwing a fit about me believing they do not ) so I assumed you wanted them nerfed : fine
now they're nerfed ( hypothetical ), do they still have a fair chance against everyone ? I'm assuming they do not since that was your issue to begin with, so what are supports supposed to do at this point ? heal and retreat everytime they're engaged ?
this is not a rethorical question : I'm genuinely asking what would supports do in your ideal game

[Kakaru]

Originally posted by itzDerrio:

countering means making another character unplayable because of its stupid lack of balancing.

nah it's all about how specialized a character is : you can make heroes like ramattra that do basically everything or characters like rein who are very specialized
specialized characters will clash against other specialized characters and one will get demolished while ramattra will kinda somewhat work in every scenario
if power levels are high and characters are specialized you can't have both balance and no counterpicks : the only solution would be to ramattr-ify everyone and get a bunch of jack of all trades which would probably make the game boring as ♥♥♥♥

its bias to say that support...

it's biased to assume there was no issue at launch regarding supports and it all came down to bad players whining

theyre supposed to do what their literal title entails - support their teams efforts in team fights, not be the fight themselves.

and by this logic tanks should be shield bots like in ow1 : it's not fun gameplay since the match's outcome doesn't depend on you in the slightest and you're basically spectating

if supports are picked off early in first fight...

I said one
if one player gets picked off the tank is the worst possible option by a very long shot :
a 4v5 is winnable, a 4v5 with no tank is most likely unwinnable

ironically tank diffs matter the least

delusional
also your stats mean absolutely nothing because if you're abusing your tank role to play as a dps while not enabling the rest of your team you will have massive stats, your teammates will have garbage stats and you'd be under the impression the whole situation isn't even your fault because "look at how many kills I got" : yeah good job, you're playing as a 600hp dps no ♥♥♥♥ you're popping off

[Kakaru]

Originally posted by itzDerrio:

you're saying a whole bunch of verbiage to sound sophisticated and privy to the game, when most of your replies are just nothing-burgers. when you couldve just said some characters within their roles are "all-rounders" for situations and some arent. this was a waste of a paragraph.

stopped reading here
I was really trying to be polite but I have no interest keeping a conversation with an idiot going at this point

[Ahmad Akif Demir Murat Abdullah]

Originally posted by KOS-MOS:

Originally posted by Abdul Fazl ur Rahman Mohammad:

kriko and lw can heal themselves
sombra dosent have a healing ability
with reaper you sacrify your long and mid range potential for self healing
mei is invincible and heals herself but you become an ice block so if you use it in a bad spot you become a free kill
plus for some reason you stoped discribing self healing abilites and started to talk about some random abilities?
symmetras teleport is a stationary object that can be easily destoryed
tracers entier kit is based around her just "teleporting" and it acually requires good manegment to be successful
jr traps are also an objet that is pretty easy to tell where it is. so its easy to destory it
genjis deflect isnt that good agaisnt any character that has a beam like ability like moira and genjis mobilty is based around how good of a genji you are. so yeah
zaryas bubbles are strong because she has nothing else in her kit
ball is build around his high mobilit he dosent have the damage so he has mobilty
you dont need a ana to kill him but i think roadhogs healing is too strong right now
winstone can jump "non stop" because in a 1v1 he isnt as strong as other tanks
deva has a defense matrix similar to genjis deflect so any sort of beam she is weak against
and like reaper she dosent really do any damage until the 10m mark so she has strong mobilty and a second life because any other tank can kill her easily
people are complaining about supp because some of them are just dps with stonger abilities are. they are sacrifficing nothing and are still op.

you said only support has all other class abilities - stun, damage, mobility, plus heal.

Which is complely stupid ? Or you never played that game, just say it lol.

You find Stun, dmg, mobility + heal in every role. So should support be completly disabled just because you can't land a shot ?

but i never said that. and the point isnt that supports have all other class abilities its that supports are just dps but more