FIx Healers and Tanks

[Balloonicron]

Seriously the easiest way to fix this game is reduce the damage Tanks and Healers do and it will make healers jobs easier, fights will be longer and more fun. And DPS WILL BE VIABLE AGAIN.

[Basarab Laiota]

tanks are already kinda sucky to play as, you want them to do less?

[Balloonicron]

Originally posted by Basarab Laiota:

tanks are already kinda sucky to play as, you want them to do less?

They don't exist to do damage. Neither do healers. But decent tanks and heals will out dps, dps. Starting players feel overwhelmed and I've seen dps the most affected by tanks and healers dealing huge damage.

Healers are too busy trying to keep the tank alive because everyone's dealing so much damage. As someone who played a LOT of Overwatch 1. That's one of the largest changes I have seen.

It got worse when they released 5v5. But when they released OW 2, they did so much damage compared to Ow1. Healers focus more on damage in a lot of games.

It would fix a lot of issues.

[Shae]

Tanks are in the most terrible position right now and supports are the ones that are busted and needs tuning. If you tuned tanks you would just discourage anyone from playing them let alone enjoying tank. DPS are awkward in the sense that they are in a middle ground between the two.

[Balloonicron]

Originally posted by Shaelent:

Tanks are in the most terrible position right now and supports are the ones that are busted and needs tuning. If you tuned tanks you would just discourage anyone from playing them let alone enjoying tank. DPS are awkward in the sense that they are in a middle ground between the two.

They could just bring back the second tank and fix the tank issue.

[ATI Rage FURY 128 GL]

a tank is only as good as its dps, if these are rolling soloplay onto the tank, everyone is losing, focus fire is not played, risk is very high, efficieny is low, talents are played not for team, team mechanics are not executed - ultimate management?

[Balloonicron]

Originally posted by Mondenkynd:

a tank is only as good as its dps, if these are rolling soloplay onto the tank, everyone is losing, focus fire is not played, risk is very high, efficieny is low, talents are played not for team, team mechanics are not executed - ultimate management?

This is so far from what I'm talking about. -.-

[Chinese Mafia]

The post is a clear example, analytics of a drunken player playing on bronze 5. I propose to go further and ban shooting forever in the game.

Tank and support are the most difficult roles! I practically stopped playing as a support, even if you are a top healer and a top damage dealer on support (Baptist, Ana, Illari), you do not influence the game in any way if your tank and damage dealers are garbage.

Also, playing on a tank, I know with a high probability that if I have two snipers on my team like Hanzo, Widowmaker, Ash, most often we will lose, because they will be in the save and AFK, and I will receive damage on the tank from the entire enemy team, and the fact that I use cooldowns better, strafe better, play from the save places, use better positions, will not save me.

A tank is a role that pushes forward and absorbs a lot of damage and thereby gives space to its team, the tank must create pressure in the game and not let the enemy team through, but there are damage dealers who do many times more damage than a tank.

If you were smarter, you would understand that it is mainly damage dealers who win games, they flank, go behind and kill backline, find the best angles for shooting, and the tank only gives space to the team. Yes, a tank can also dive, but it depends more on whether you are pushing or defending, and on the enemy's pick.

You also don’t understand that supports have players who are priority targets. if you heal everyone, then most likely you and the second support are stealing each other’s ultimate accumulation. The ultimate economy is one of the important concepts in the game. The problem you pointed out is not a problem with the tank or support as a role, it's a problem with your team that your DD or tank can't knowing how to play and take a lot of damage. The main problem is that they do not play from cover, and play in the center of the map. Also, this may be a consequence of the fact that you are all playing solo and not as a team.

You absolutely do not understand the game and the roles in the game, everything you wrote is a problem with the skills of the low ELO player.

[Silverlight]

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ are you that Hanzo main I played with all night ?

I'm sellen in OW

I watched this pretty good theory video on the subject.

I think the problem usually comes down to the flex support.

The space a flex support creates with their cool downs is vital for tank and DPS to operate. So they need to fit the overall composition of the team

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7L0PSLkL1I

[itzDerrio]

why does no one ever know what they’re talking about with this game ?

[Silverlight]

Originally posted by itzDerrio:

why does no one ever know what they’re talking about with this game ?

The Meta changes every month almost entirely.

[hi friends]

i'm all for lowering supp's damage just to spite these DPS ana or moira who is literally in position where you can heal but felt like gripping enemy out instead and let your tank die.

and yes, this is precisely why i hate playing tanks in pubs. i know when i'm overextended and can't get heals, but lot of times it isn't just the case.

[Silverlight]

Originally posted by hi friends:

i'm all for lowering supp's damage just to spite these DPS ana or moira who is literally in position where you can heal but felt like gripping enemy out instead and let your tank die.

and yes, this is precisely why i hate playing tanks in pubs. i know when i'm overextended and can't get heals, but lot of times it isn't just the case.

The lack of off tank doesn't help on that last point.

Sometimes it can be outright a death sentence to help an extended tank, even at what may seem like a reasonable place.

Hanzos are crazy good shots, and it can be easy to forget that when you have 450 health and a pocket.

That's why the video I linked was so eye opening for me.

If you're playing a brawl centric tank, and both you're healers favor poke meta, this discrepancy gets worse.

Depending on what role you main, understanding who you can switch to to better synergize with your team can be a life saver in pubs.

[THAT Guy]

Originally posted by Silverlight:

Originally posted by itzDerrio:

why does no one ever know what they’re talking about with this game ?

The Meta changes every month almost entirely.

Lmfao.. the meta has absolutely nothing to do with it..

The fact that players blindly follow it, is one major reason why they never improve..

As they mimic high level players, while having little to no understanding of the logic behind it, without that logical understanding, your not learning anything, just copying them..

Used to see this all the time in my moba days. Players blindly copying professional player builds then getting mad and blaming the game for it not working. Like copying that physical defense build is going to work out extremely well, versus enemy players who mostly deal magic damage...


Bad players are bad due to wilful ignorance, they refuse to overcome..

Blaming the meta, is increadably pathetic, especially when 99% of players doing it don't even play at a level where it matters

It's just another example of players trying to blame the game because they lack understanding of the game, which makes them bad, and they refuse to admit that, instead blaming anything no matter how absurd it is..

[Silverlight]

Originally posted by THAT Guy:

Originally posted by Silverlight:

The Meta changes every month almost entirely.

Lmfao.. the meta has absolutely nothing to do with it..

The fact that players blindly follow it, is one major reason why they never improve..

As they mimic high level players, while having little to no understanding of the logic behind it, without that logical understanding, your not learning anything, just copying them..

Used to see this all the time in my moba days. Players blindly copying professional player builds then getting mad and blaming the game for it not working. Like copying that physical defense build is going to work out extremely well, versus enemy players who mostly deal magic damage...


Bad players are bad due to wilful ignorance, they refuse to overcome..

Blaming the meta, is increadably pathetic, especially when 99% of players doing it don't even play at a level where it matters

It's just another example of players trying to blame the game because they lack understanding of the game, which makes them bad, and they refuse to admit that, instead blaming anything no matter how absurd it is..

I mean yes and no.

What you're saying is completely right, but also even top 500 players recognize when one role or hero can change or restructure the meta.

Sojourne prenerf is a good example of that

This comment comes off as pretty black and white when I think the answer lies somewhere in the middle.

It can be really awkward logging in and the playstyle you favored is hard countered by a new hero.

Or that your main has been reworked

Or that a new tank has switched the meta from poke to brawl .

I think this stuff does factor in to what you as a player should be focusing on in any given game, and keeping up with it can be important to understanding your role.

[Balloonicron]

Originally posted by Kartofan:

The post is a clear example, analytics of a drunken player playing on bronze 5. I propose to go further and ban shooting forever in the game.

Tank and support are the most difficult roles! I practically stopped playing as a support, even if you are a top healer and a top damage dealer on support (Baptist, Ana, Illari), you do not influence the game in any way if your tank and damage dealers are garbage.

Also, playing on a tank, I know with a high probability that if I have two snipers on my team like Hanzo, Widowmaker, Ash, most often we will lose, because they will be in the save and AFK, and I will receive damage on the tank from the entire enemy team, and the fact that I use cooldowns better, strafe better, play from the save places, use better positions, will not save me.

A tank is a role that pushes forward and absorbs a lot of damage and thereby gives space to its team, the tank must create pressure in the game and not let the enemy team through, but there are damage dealers who do many times more damage than a tank.

If you were smarter, you would understand that it is mainly damage dealers who win games, they flank, go behind and kill backline, find the best angles for shooting, and the tank only gives space to the team. Yes, a tank can also dive, but it depends more on whether you are pushing or defending, and on the enemy's pick.

You also don’t understand that supports have players who are priority targets. if you heal everyone, then most likely you and the second support are stealing each other’s ultimate accumulation. The ultimate economy is one of the important concepts in the game. The problem you pointed out is not a problem with the tank or support as a role, it's a problem with your team that your DD or tank can't knowing how to play and take a lot of damage. The main problem is that they do not play from cover, and play in the center of the map. Also, this may be a consequence of the fact that you are all playing solo and not as a team.

You absolutely do not understand the game and the roles in the game, everything you wrote is a problem with the skills of the low ELO player.

I've played this game for 4k hours...
And I'm Diamond.

Why do people always assume the dumbest things.
Thanks for the long pointless message.