Fps dips to 35 fps with overclocked i7 4790K/980 Ti o_O

[DirectXWhatever]

I just bought this game because it seemed like fun. But, this game is so horribly unoptimized. Why did they release it in this state? In intense fight scenes, my fps drops to the 40s even the high 30s and I have a beefy system - i7 4790K@4.7 GHz, 16 GB RAM, GTX 980 Ti G1 Gaming. All drivers up to date 358.50 Win10 64 bit. In Afterburner OSD, CPU usage is like 90%, and GPU usage is somewhat OK when not fighting, but it's really low during fight scenes. It seems like this game is bottlenecking my overclocked 4790K!!! Do I have to order a CPU from NASA to play this game at anywhere near 60 fps? Seriously?

Here are other people telling the same story https://steamcommunity.com/app/235540/discussions/1/483368433107392909/#p1

30 fps on a 980 Ti - NO! JUST NO!

[Androidizen]

Ok so you have an i7 and you want to game with it, have you disabled HT and unparked your cores? made sure the client has higher priority to your CPU? This is standard stuff for i7 and multicore systems when trying to play a game with a lot of AI running it will bottleneck CPU's thats just a fact of the i7's architecture and the way games have to operate.

You say 30fps on a 980TI is unacceptable but its not the GPU that has the bottleneck thats the i7 and Windows causing the issues. Disable HT, make sure your cores cant park and set the exe to high priority and see if your FPS improves.

But even then Dual Core's with a high clock speed will probably have the edge over multi core systems as Ai tends to run on a single core the higher the frequency of that core or the higher priority windows gives the core in relation to the exe the better your FPS should be.

Drivers wont make any difference this is an archtecture thing... though cant rule out Nvidia having a driver bug, seems unlikely.

spec: Core i7 4790 / 16gig ram / GTX 770 / 2x OCZ SSD 500/500

[FormerlyKnownAsChris]

Androidizen님이 먼저 게시:

Ok so you have an i7 and you want to game with it, have you disabled HT and unparked your cores? made sure the client has higher priority to your CPU? This is standard stuff for i7 and multicore systems when trying to play a game with a lot of AI running it will bottleneck CPU's thats just a fact of the i7's architecture and the way games have to operate.

You say 30fps on a 980TI is unacceptable but its not the GPU that has the bottleneck thats the i7 and Windows causing the issues. Disable HT, make sure your cores cant park and set the exe to high priority and see if your FPS improves.

But even then Dual Core's with a high clock speed will probably have the edge over multi core systems as Ai tends to run on a single core the higher the frequency of that core or the higher priority windows gives the core in relation to the exe the better your FPS should be.

Drivers wont make any difference this is an archtecture thing... though cant rule out Nvidia having a driver bug, seems unlikely.

spec: Core i7 4790 / 16gig ram / GTX 770 / 2x OCZ SSD 500/500

Im having the same problem but with a 970. Im trying to follow your steps but I have a question. What is HT? Could I get the full name of it so it can be easier to find?

[kickassez]

hyperthreading

[Daemon_Master]

Big Z님이 먼저 게시:

This game has ♥♥♥♥ optimizing, it's not you. And nobody else can tell you otherwise, it's a known problem and the devs claimed to be working on it.

This. Basically.

Still waiting for that 'Day 1' patch they said was coming, not to mention "Another Patch Saturday or Sunday".

[Ramdom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIDUMfiaoZ0

i got 100-140 fps on extreme settings with 980ti + filming ^^

[DirectXWhatever]

bexte님이 먼저 게시:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIDUMfiaoZ0

i got 100-140 fps on extreme settings with 980ti + filming ^^

You didn't get what we are discussing at all. I also get 100-140 fps in the game easily with my 980 Ti. IT IS ONLY when the hoardes/waves of ratmen come swarming in to attack the players (especially after the horn blows) that frame-rate starts to dip - from 100 to 70 all the way down to the low 40s/high 30s. Frame-rate is JUST fine in every other scenario except during intense fighting (during the surge of the rats). I did further investigation, and it seems that this game is COMPLETELY CPU-bound. A 970 and 980 Ti will perform exactly the same because even the state-of-the-art i7 6700K/4790K will be a bottleneck in this game for any GPU above the 970. Frame-rate seems to be inversely proportional to the number of AI enemies at any given time during fighting. The more the numer of the AI ratmen, the lower the FPS, the lower the GPU usage.

I kept my eyes on the afterburner OSD fps while staying still and looking towards a particular spot in the game without moving. My fps was a stable 100+ on the OSD, and stayed like that for a good while. BUT, immediately after the horn blew, and the roar of the rats echoed around, I saw my fps on the OSD start to plummet from 100 to 70 to 50 to the 40s all the while as I was doing nothing just standing still and looking at the EXACT SAME SPOT until the rats started to attack me. There was no visual change on the screen, just the CPU was loaded with background tasks of the AI enemies, and THAT is what caused the HUGE fps drop from the 90s to the 40s in a matter of seconds. This proves that the only fps killer here in the game is the CPU hogging AI, not the visuals or the graphics. This game just has a terrible AI programming. All the unparking, HT disabling suggestions are completely bogus. It's just how the game is programmed.

[Zef]

SMAA_T2X님이 먼저 게시:

bexte님이 먼저 게시:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIDUMfiaoZ0

i got 100-140 fps on extreme settings with 980ti + filming ^^

You didn't get what we are discussing at all. I also get 100-140 fps in the game easily with my 980 Ti. IT IS ONLY when the hoardes/waves of ratmen come swarming in to attack the players (especially after the horn blows) that frame-rate starts to dip - from 100 to 70 all the way down to the low 40s/high 30s. Frame-rate is JUST fine in every other scenario except during intense fighting (during the surge of the rats). I did further investigation, and it seems that this game is COMPLETELY CPU-bound. A 970 and 980 Ti will perform exactly the same because even the state-of-the-art i7 6700K/4790K will be a bottleneck in this game for any GPU above the 970. Frame-rate seems to be inversely proportional to the number of AI enemies at any given time during fighting. The more the numer of the AI ratmen, the lower the FPS, the lower the GPU usage.

I kept my eyes on the afterburner OSD fps while staying still and looking towards a particular spot in the game without moving. My fps was a stable 100+ on the OSD, and stayed like that for a good while. BUT, immediately after the horn blew, and the roar of the rats echoed around, I saw my fps on the OSD start to plummet from 100 to 70 to 50 to the 40s all the while as I was doing nothing just standing still and looking at the EXACT SAME SPOT until the rats started to attack me. There was no visual change on the screen, just the CPU was loaded with background tasks of the AI enemies, and THAT is what caused the HUGE fps drop from the 90s to the 40s in a matter of seconds. This proves that the only fps killer here in the game is the CPU hogging AI, not the visuals or the graphics. This game just has a terrible AI programming. All the unparking, HT disabling suggestions are completely bogus. It's just how the game is programmed.

Yup, it's not that the AI is terrible in itself, on the contrary, but I fear it's too calcul-heavy for what little it has to offer in such a game. Yet when you come to think of it, L4D's hordes were giving processing units a hard time once all zombies were gnawing at your fallen body, so. Yeah. Progress can be made. On hardware.

I really hope some optimization will be done over future weeks (months?), but I learned from other indies that your chances of seeing substantial improvement for this kind of issue after release is 50/50, if not less :/. Yes, I am not an optimistic person x).

[GGuts]

SMAA_T2X님이 먼저 게시:

bexte님이 먼저 게시:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIDUMfiaoZ0

i got 100-140 fps on extreme settings with 980ti + filming ^^

You didn't get what we are discussing at all. I also get 100-140 fps in the game easily with my 980 Ti. IT IS ONLY when the hoardes/waves of ratmen come swarming in to attack the players (especially after the horn blows) that frame-rate starts to dip - from 100 to 70 all the way down to the low 40s/high 30s. Frame-rate is JUST fine in every other scenario except during intense fighting (during the surge of the rats). I did further investigation, and it seems that this game is COMPLETELY CPU-bound. A 970 and 980 Ti will perform exactly the same because even the state-of-the-art i7 6700K/4790K will be a bottleneck in this game for any GPU above the 970. Frame-rate seems to be inversely proportional to the number of AI enemies at any given time during fighting. The more the numer of the AI ratmen, the lower the FPS, the lower the GPU usage.

I kept my eyes on the afterburner OSD fps while staying still and looking towards a particular spot in the game without moving. My fps was a stable 100+ on the OSD, and stayed like that for a good while. BUT, immediately after the horn blew, and the roar of the rats echoed around, I saw my fps on the OSD start to plummet from 100 to 70 to 50 to the 40s all the while as I was doing nothing just standing still and looking at the EXACT SAME SPOT until the rats started to attack me. There was no visual change on the screen, just the CPU was loaded with background tasks of the AI enemies, and THAT is what caused the HUGE fps drop from the 90s to the 40s in a matter of seconds. This proves that the only fps killer here in the game is the CPU hogging AI, not the visuals or the graphics. This game just has a terrible AI programming. All the unparking, HT disabling suggestions are completely bogus. It's just how the game is programmed.

Wow... actually somebody with some common sense in here.

[Poop Fanatic 7]

Androidizen님이 먼저 게시:

Ok so you have an i7 and you want to game with it, have you disabled HT and unparked your cores? made sure the client has higher priority to your CPU? This is standard stuff for i7 and multicore systems when trying to play a game with a lot of AI running it will bottleneck CPU's thats just a fact of the i7's architecture and the way games have to operate.

You say 30fps on a 980TI is unacceptable but its not the GPU that has the bottleneck thats the i7 and Windows causing the issues. Disable HT, make sure your cores cant park and set the exe to high priority and see if your FPS improves.

But even then Dual Core's with a high clock speed will probably have the edge over multi core systems as Ai tends to run on a single core the higher the frequency of that core or the higher priority windows gives the core in relation to the exe the better your FPS should be.

Drivers wont make any difference this is an archtecture thing... though cant rule out Nvidia having a driver bug, seems unlikely.

spec: Core i7 4790 / 16gig ram / GTX 770 / 2x OCZ SSD 500/500

Running a 980ti, same as OP, but with an i5 instead. I also in-frequently dip into the 40's.
On Win7 as well, so it's not the OS, as much as I like to bash Windows 10.

Yes, some have experienced issues, with the i7, but the tanking fps is a general optimization problem, i'm pretty sure.

[H4ndy]

The game is running consistently with 80 FPS or more for me on "High" settings and doubled shadow sources (4).

i7-4770K (Stock 3.5-3.8GHz w/ HT), GTX 980, 16GB DDR-1866, Windows 10 Pro x64.
That core-parking nonsense is just a relic, upgrade to Win 8 or 10 to get rid of it. Microsoft heavily optimized multi-core handling in those.

[Ramdom]

i have stable 100+ fps, also during rat spawns dude.

[DirectXWhatever]

bexte님이 먼저 게시:

i have stable 100+ fps, also during rat spawns dude.

Show me a video of your constant 100+ fps with one of the heaviest swarms of the rats. I can't just take your words for it. The video you linked does not show your fps during heavy fights (and by 'heavy' I mean the real ones, not just the light rat attacks). Do an entire playthrough from start to the end showing yourself go through the many hoardes of rats, and still maintaining 100+ fps. Until you do that, I take your words with a grain of salt :)

No offense intended.

[Ramdom]

SMAA_T2X님이 먼저 게시:

bexte님이 먼저 게시:

i have stable 100+ fps, also during rat spawns dude.

Show me a video of your constant 100+ fps with one of the heaviest swarms of the rats. I can't just take your words for it. The video you linked does not show your fps during heavy fights (and by 'heavy' I mean the real ones, not just the light rat attacks). Do an entire playthrough from start to the end showing yourself go through the many hoardes of rats, and still maintaining 100+ fps. Until you do that, I take your words with a grain of salt :)

No offense intended.

vid incoming :D

[DirectXWhatever]

bexte님이 먼저 게시:

SMAA_T2X님이 먼저 게시:

Show me a video of your constant 100+ fps with one of the heaviest swarms of the rats. I can't just take your words for it. The video you linked does not show your fps during heavy fights (and by 'heavy' I mean the real ones, not just the light rat attacks). Do an entire playthrough from start to the end showing yourself go through the many hoardes of rats, and still maintaining 100+ fps. Until you do that, I take your words with a grain of salt :)

No offense intended.

vid incoming :D

Cool! Do an ENTIRE playthrough .. don't just put snippets of your gameplay through lighter waves of rats, so we can be 100% sure without a shadow of doubt that there are at least some people who are getting flawless performance.

[Zef]

You do realise you're kind of asking for the moon, right ? :p