Two handed swords for Empire Soldier

[Karl]

They seem to do underwhelming damage, what's the point of having them if you can't kill regular skaven in one hit? They already have the weakness that they are not as great at killing stormvermin as the two handed hammer, right now it's actually more effective to just use my one handed blue mace I got. If they aren't as good as piercing armor i'd at least want it to do enough damage to justify this weakness. It's sad when a one handed weapon is both faster and does more damage.

To compare further, the great axe I got for my Dwarf has no issue killing Skaven at all. Even its regular attacks kill at least a regular skaven in one hit.

[Free Luigi M.]

They hit more enemies and deal higher damage on charged attacks. And they are faster. So they have that going for them.

[Karl]

Originally posted by Joe Chip:

They hit more enemies and deal higher damage on charged attacks. And they are faster. So they have that going for them.

They barely hit more enemies than my one handed mace actually. If I wanted to hit more enemies at once i'd go for the two handed hammer because that one can also deal with stormvermin better. It also takes the same amount of hits to kill something with the two handed hammer to kill something as the two handed blade

[Emjay]

They can hit more units than the hammer, thats about as much as I can tell at this point.

A sword however realistically wouldn't do as much 'piercing' damage as a hammer would. Hammers were designed to smash through armour whereas swords and bladed weapons in general were more designed to rend flesh and light leather armours. The whole deal with metal armours were that they defended the wearer against a lot of blade attacks. Thrusts were still potentially dangerous but anything in full plate is pretty much safe from a blade. A hammer on the other hand will just crush that plate into your skin, so it effectively turns your own armour into a weapon that will crush you. Generally speaking hammers are nasty.

[Karl]

Originally posted by Emjay:

They can hit more units than the hammer, thats about as much as I can tell at this point.

A sword however realistically wouldn't do as much 'piercing' damage as a hammer would. Hammers were designed to smash through armour whereas swords and bladed weapons in general were more designed to rend flesh and light leather armours. The whole deal with metal armours were that they defended the wearer against a lot of blade attacks. Thrusts were still potentially dangerous but anything in full plate is pretty much safe from a blade. A hammer on the other hand will just crush that plate into your skin, so it effectively turns your own armour into a weapon that will crush you. Generally speaking hammers are nasty.

Yes i'm not speaking against the armor piercing effect, i'm fine that it has that weakness compared to blunt weaponry. I'm just saying it does not do enough to balance against that weakness, it takes the same amount of hits as the hammer to kill something, and my one handed mace is even better because its much faster. Regular attacks there take 2 hits too but again, faster, and the charge attack of the one handed mace is a 1 hit guarranteed because its overhead like the two handed hammer.

So far two handed swords for the Empire Soldier have too much weakness while not exceeding in its strength, the ability to cleave through regular unarmored skaven like it should be.

[Free Luigi M.]

Originally posted by Gorgutz 'ead 'unta:

Originally posted by Joe Chip:

They hit more enemies and deal higher damage on charged attacks. And they are faster. So they have that going for them.

They barely hit more enemies than my one handed mace actually. If I wanted to hit more enemies at once i'd go for the two handed hammer because that one can also deal with stormvermin better. It also takes the same amount of hits to kill something with the two handed hammer to kill something as the two handed blade

The LMB attack on the hammer hits one enemy. The Sword hits everything in front of you. No contest. The sword can LMB fast and kill skavens in 2 quick swipes. The hammer can't. The charged attack on the sword deals more damage and decapitates enemies, possibly oneshotting them. It's, again, faster than the hammer. The hammer is better for knockback and dealing with single armored enemies. Makes sense. If you pick a sword, take a ranged weapon with armor piercing, or the musket with headshot and oneshot the stromvermin in the head. Problem solved.

[Karl]

Originally posted by Joe Chip:

Originally posted by Gorgutz 'ead 'unta:

They barely hit more enemies than my one handed mace actually. If I wanted to hit more enemies at once i'd go for the two handed hammer because that one can also deal with stormvermin better. It also takes the same amount of hits to kill something with the two handed hammer to kill something as the two handed blade

The LMB attack on the hammer hits one enemy. The Sword hits everything in front of you. No contest. The sword can LMB fast and kill skavens in 2 quick swipes. The hammer can't. The charged attack on the sword deals more damage and decapitates enemies, possibly oneshotting them. It's, again, faster than the hammer. The hammer is better for knockback and dealing with single armored enemies. Makes sense. If you pick a sword, take a ranged weapon with armor piercing, or the musket with headshot and oneshot the stromvermin in the head. Problem solved.

The two handed charge attack of the hammer also has a chance to kill enemies in one hit if it happens to hit a skaven head, not sure why you even brought that up. Compared to the great axe of the dwarf the two handed sword simply has underwhelming damage. Great axes charge attack kills regular skaven in one hit, two handed sword doesnt. regular attack of great axe kills in one hit, sword doesn't. Not wanting the two handed swords regular attack to kill in one hit, but at least its charge attack on regular skaven.

[Free Luigi M.]

I have a two-handed sword that has the "headshot" trait on the charged attack. Hammer doesn't have it. I oneshot every enemy by swiping at their head level. The hammer cannot oneshot enemies when charged, except if they are slave skavens. No idea what the axe is like since I play imperial soldier.

[Karl]

Originally posted by Joe Chip:

I have a two-handed sword that has the "headshot" trait on the charged attack. Hammer doesn't have it. I oneshot every enemy by swiping at their head level. The hammer cannot oneshot enemies when charged, except if they are slave skavens. No idea what the axe is like since I play imperial soldier.

Yes lets ignore enchants because we're talking about the regular weapons here, enchants mess with that obviously. A weapon should not have a enchant to reach the same effect other weapons of its kind can reach without enchants.

The point remains, the two handed sword simply does not have enough damage to compensate for its weakness of not having armor piercing. Compared to other two handed weaponry (especially the great axe) it can not keep up. When a one handed weapon outperforms it both in terms of damage (especially due to the added speed as well) while still having armor piercing, then its charged attack needs a buff. (my one handed mace is outperforming it)

Yes, if you happen to hit heads of skaven with its charged attack then it does kill them in one hit, but good luck doing that with an entire group. The Great Axe does not need to do that and it still kills them in one hit with the charged attack, hacking them in two or hacking off arms. All i'm saying is is that the two handed swords charge attack for the Empire Soldier needs some love

[CuddlePumpkin]

Agreed

[Free Luigi M.]

Originally posted by Gorgutz 'ead 'unta:

Originally posted by Joe Chip:

I have a two-handed sword that has the "headshot" trait on the charged attack. Hammer doesn't have it. I oneshot every enemy by swiping at their head level. The hammer cannot oneshot enemies when charged, except if they are slave skavens. No idea what the axe is like since I play imperial soldier.

Yes lets ignore enchants because we're talking about the regular weapons here, enchants mess with that obviously. A weapon should not have a enchant to reach the same effect other weapons of its kind can reach without enchants.

The point remains, the two handed sword simply does not have enough damage to compensate for its weakness of not having armor piercing. Compared to other two handed weaponry (especially the great axe) it can not keep up. When a one handed weapon outperforms it both in terms of damage (especially due to the added speed as well) while still having armor piercing, then its charged attack needs a buff. (my one handed mace is outperforming it)

Yes, if you happen to hit heads of skaven with its charged attack then it does kill them in one hit, but good luck doing that with an entire group. The Great Axe does not need to do that and it still kills them in one hit with the charged attack, hacking them in two or hacking off arms. All i'm saying is is that the two handed swords charge attack for the Empire Soldier needs some love

That's NOT and enchant. I said it's a trait. Like "armor piercing", "headshot" is a trait only available with swords, I believe. Definitely not hammers. And NOT an enchant.
And I still have to see any weapon oneshotting with charged swipe attacks. I have my doubt believing the axe does. Otherwise that would be hands down the best weapon in the game. As far as I have seen with the loot I have found, great swords have the highest damage on charged swipe attacks of any weapon (of the imperial soldier). And they behead skavens. The fact that it doesn't have armor piercing is logical and not a big deal, since you can compensate it with your secondary weapon. It's a choice, and it means you will be more effective against big swarms of enemies, but less against single stormvermin. But, as I said, you can deal with those shooting them in the head or using a ranged weapon with armor piercing. And you are also still ignoring the fact that greatswords are much faster than hammers both in normal and charged attacks. So greater damage + higher speed + oneshotting at the head.

[Karl]

Originally posted by Joe Chip:

Originally posted by Gorgutz 'ead 'unta:

Yes lets ignore enchants because we're talking about the regular weapons here, enchants mess with that obviously. A weapon should not have a enchant to reach the same effect other weapons of its kind can reach without enchants.

The point remains, the two handed sword simply does not have enough damage to compensate for its weakness of not having armor piercing. Compared to other two handed weaponry (especially the great axe) it can not keep up. When a one handed weapon outperforms it both in terms of damage (especially due to the added speed as well) while still having armor piercing, then its charged attack needs a buff. (my one handed mace is outperforming it)

Yes, if you happen to hit heads of skaven with its charged attack then it does kill them in one hit, but good luck doing that with an entire group. The Great Axe does not need to do that and it still kills them in one hit with the charged attack, hacking them in two or hacking off arms. All i'm saying is is that the two handed swords charge attack for the Empire Soldier needs some love

That's NOT and enchant. I said it's a trait. Like "armor piercing", "headshot" is a trait only available with swords, I believe. Definitely not hammers. And NOT an enchant.
And I still have to see any weapon oneshotting with charged swipe attacks. I have my doubt believing the axe does. Otherwise that would be hands down the best weapon in the game. As far as I have seen with the loot I have found, great swords have the highest damage on charged swipe attacks of any weapon (of the imperial soldier). And they behead skavens. The fact that it doesn't have armor piercing is logical and not a big deal, since you can compensate it with your secondary weapon. It's a choice, and it means you will be more effective against big swarms of enemies, but less against single stormvermin. But, as I said, you can deal with those shooting them in the head or using a ranged weaponw ith armor piercing.

Then go get a great axe of green quality on the Dwarf and test it out, instead of saying you doubt it without actually knowing.

[Free Luigi M.]

No, I won't. Because I play imperial soldier.
So now you have switched to say that the great axe is better than the imperial greatsword? So much for the hammer. If a weapon that oneshots with charged orizontal swipes exists, I am sure it has some other drawbacks that you are not mentioning. Like you did with the other two weapons.

[Karl]

Originally posted by Joe Chip:

No, I won't. Because I play imperial soldier.
So now you have switched to say that the great axe is better than the imperial greatsword? So much for the hammer. If a weapon that oneshots with charged orizontal swipes exists, I am sure it has some other drawbacks that you are not mentioning. Like you did with the other two weapons.

I've been saying that the entire time you ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ dolt. God. I've been using the great axe for awhile as comparison, learn to read

And for the record, two handed hammer is barely slower than the two handed sword. Certainly not enough to justify the two handed sword being so ♥♥♥♥ in damage compared to other weapons. Once again, I've been saying a one handed mace has been outperforming it easily. Its charge attack needs love.

Just stop replying anytime because you're not listening or reading very well

[Fera]

I've been playing a lot with both 2h sword and hammer, imo the sword kills a lot faster than the hammer but doesnt have the CC that goes with the pushback.

The chargeup time for strong attack is faster, and its easier to slice through several heads at once.

So, I'd pick the sword against slave groups and hammer against most other things.

[Free Luigi M.]

Originally posted by Gorgutz 'ead 'unta:

Just stop replying anytime because you're not listening or reading very well

That's good advice, you should follow it.
Add to that you are seemingly unable to compehend perfectly logical statements and you are set.