40k fantasy crossover

[kostaskladianos]

Games Workshop has been working for years to further separate 40k and Fantasy from each other.  They just blurred the lines a bit!

“The warlock engineers soon discovered the Device of the Great Beyond, a communication apparatus that spoke to beings from beyond the stars.  As they swirled its many dials, a querulous voice spoke through the stone speakers. That voice, fair and clear caused the Skaven to bolt away.  The device was something like the far-squeaker, but the melodious tones that issued forth were, if anything, kin to the despised speech of the elf-things. As they did not understand the alien language, nor how the arcane contraption worked the warlock engineers pulled the device apart and shot it with warplock pistols until it stopped making any sounds.”

The setup is the Skaven have overrun one of the major Lizardmen temple cities, and are looting all the treasures and ancient devices the Slann use when they happen upon this.

From Thanquol book series

[Jakal, Lady kisser]

age of sigmar is widely regarded to be retarded and non-canon with the rest of the fantasy series by most of the people that worked on the lore for the warhammer fantasy setting to begin with. ignore it.

[kostaskladianos]

Originally posted by "i'm not in PETA" Jakal:

age of sigmar is widely regarded to be retarded and non-canon with the rest of the fantasy series by most of the people that worked on the lore for the warhammer fantasy setting to begin with. ignore it.

i miss the old good days of the old world......

[Gorwe]

Originally posted by kostaskladianos:

Originally posted by "i'm not in PETA" Jakal:

age of sigmar is widely regarded to be retarded and non-canon with the rest of the fantasy series by most of the people that worked on the lore for the warhammer fantasy setting to begin with. ignore it.

i miss the old good days of the old world......

I mean, in theory, I should like AoS(I always wanted to visit the Realms of Winds of Magic, the sides are much more defined etc...the only thing missing is the grounded feeling WHFB always had). But...sunken cost fallacy I guess defines my reality. I just can't stand AoS when it has been built on the corpse of Warhammer Fantasy. Just...just look at the maps here: http://www.gitzmansgallery.com/shdmotwow.html (that literally makes me cry)

[kostaskladianos]

Originally posted by Gorwe:

Originally posted by kostaskladianos:

i miss the old good days of the old world......

I mean, in theory, I should like AoS(I always wanted to visit the Realms of Winds of Magic, the sides are much more defined etc...the only thing missing is the grounded feeling WHFB always had). But...sunken cost fallacy I guess defines my reality. I just can't stand AoS when it has been built on the corpse of Warhammer Fantasy. Just...just look at the maps here: http://www.gitzmansgallery.com/shdmotwow.html (that literally makes me cry)

an incredibly detailed map, damn you GW {MONEY EATER}.....

[Free Luigi M.]

Absolutely. The setting and lore of the Old World were so detailed and rich that AoS can't even compete. Sad it's all gone.

[Gorwe]

Originally posted by kostaskladianos:

Originally posted by Gorwe:

I mean, in theory, I should like AoS(I always wanted to visit the Realms of Winds of Magic, the sides are much more defined etc...the only thing missing is the grounded feeling WHFB always had). But...sunken cost fallacy I guess defines my reality. I just can't stand AoS when it has been built on the corpse of Warhammer Fantasy. Just...just look at the maps here: http://www.gitzmansgallery.com/shdmotwow.html (that literally makes me cry)

an incredibly detailed map, damn you GW {MONEY EATER}.....

And that's only this part of world. What about Ulthuan, what about Lustria, Ind, Cathay, Nippon, Albion and Naggaroth?

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Instead of doing the right thing(releasing Total Warhammer earlier, doing PC WHFB RPGs) they...ruin it all? I mean, I respect AoS and yes, it is interesting, but...it should've been an addendum to WHFB, not a replacement. Kinda like how WH40k and WH40k: Epic(sorry, forgot the name) can exist side by side. AoS would be IDEAL as a side game to explore realms of magic and myths and magic in general.

[kostaskladianos]

Originally posted by Joe Chip:

Absolutely. The setting and lore of the Old World were so detailed and rich that AoS can't even compete. Sad it's all gone.

this is true joe

[PascalS13]

this map is insane !! imagine a game in the likes of witcher 3 but in that universe and on this huge ass map ! insane

[Gorwe]

Originally posted by PascalS13:

this map is insane !! imagine a game in the likes of witcher 3 but in that universe and on this huge ass map ! insane

As I keep saying, GW are fking I.D.I.O.T.S who simply refuse the obscene amounts of money. A game like Witcher, TES or Dragon Age(or even like Pillars / Divinity: OS) set in < whichever electorate of the Empire / Kingdom of Ulthuan / Karak > would sell like crazy. And it isn't a competition for their silly figurines. So, it's even less of a risk for them than Total Warhammer(and that game, too, was delayed and DENIED the dev rights for a LONG TIME and now sells like crazy). Maybe they destroyed WHFB so Total Warhammer could overtake the Warhammer Fantasy? Maybe WHF will be exclusive to (PC) games now?

Really, I don't know how GW managed to build such a huge enterprise with this kind of economical shortsightedness. Maybe they lacked competition? /shrug

[Jakal, Lady kisser]

Originally posted by Gorwe:

Originally posted by PascalS13:

this map is insane !! imagine a game in the likes of witcher 3 but in that universe and on this huge ass map ! insane

As I keep saying, GW are fking I.D.I.O.T.S who simply refuse the obscene amounts of money. A game like Witcher, TES or Dragon Age(or even like Pillars / Divinity: OS) set in < whichever electorate of the Empire / Kingdom of Ulthuan / Karak > would sell like crazy. And it isn't a competition for their silly figurines. So, it's even less of a risk for them than Total Warhammer(and that game, too, was delayed and DENIED the dev rights for a LONG TIME and now sells like crazy). Maybe they destroyed WHFB so Total Warhammer could overtake the Warhammer Fantasy? Maybe WHF will be exclusive to (PC) games now?

Really, I don't know how GW managed to build such a huge enterprise with this kind of economical shortsightedness. Maybe they lacked competition? /shrug

they built the empire, then got bought out by a group that had no idea how the market they were in works. then blamed the market!

[Lord Kragan]

Major issue is that AoS has one year versus WHFB's 30 years. Whatever comparison you try to make in these cases is just not fair and just plain disengenous. Did you guys know that 1st edition was actually an RPG expansion for DnD? Lore didn't go beyond the basic descriptions for murderhobos.
We still know barely ♥♥♥♥ about AoS in truth.

[Randy Marsh]

Originally posted by Kragan the Acursed:

Major issue is that AoS has one year versus WHFB's 30 years. Whatever comparison you try to make in these cases is just not fair and just plain disengenous. Did you guys know that 1st edition was actually an RPG expansion for DnD? Lore didn't go beyond the basic descriptions for murderhobos.
We still know barely ♥♥♥♥ about AoS in truth.

They can pull it out of their nethers however they like, AoS is crap. Ifi want things to get that crazy I'll go play Palladium Rifts lol

[Malakai]

Firstly, i'll admit that i've never played tabletop and i don't know the rules involved with the different races though i liked to read the rulebooks, codexes & the various adventure scenarios just because i like to know more about the world & i like fantasy stuff in general.

But what really drew me into the 'Old World' was the various novels & short stories they published to keep up with the lore. I was first introduced to it by a book featuring a certain rememberer & 'the dwarf who runs his thumb along his axe blade before going berserk'. You know who i'm talking about :) The ones who made a lifelong enemy of a certain Grey Seer.

I was hopelessly sucked up into the stories. I needed more. And there was more. Mathias Thulmann, Brunner, Malus Darkblade, Reiner Hetzau & his band of misfits, Sigmar, Teclis & Tyrion and so many more. Each was better than the rest. But the real star behind all of these was the world itself. 'The Old World' full of darkness & danger at every point, everything is decaying little by liitle & everybody knows it but goes along, chaos & corruption everywhere but still managing to somehow drag on. The odd glimmer of heroics & honour here & there which is quickly lost in the gloom. How can anyone not love it!

From the Altdorf window tax riots to the little fiefdoms of the border princes, from the dense canopy of the Drakwald to The Harvest Goose in Middenheim, the abandoned dwarven halls to the humid forests of Lustria, the black arks of the druchii to the ghould haunted graveyards of sylvania, from warm Tilea to frigid Norsca, from the coin hungry merchants of Marienburg to the honour bound Boyars of Kislev......i miss the Old World. So many memories, it'll forever haunt me when they decided to end this beautifully crafted piece of art to go into something i can never be a part of.

All of those characters killed & done away with in a frenzy to achieve what? Age of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥? Maybe fans like it & it sells more but it can never feel 'old' for me. It'll always be a shiny piece of commercial travesty. TBH, i've got good enough items & gear and seen what is to see in this game but always keep coming back to it. Because this game is probably the last piece of the old world that is still available to me. I know there are others but this one just feels like the right one. I don't want any more elite items or hats or trinkets. I just want to explore the world like it was before everything went to pieces.

As many have pointed before in this thread and many other threads like it, it actually hurts to see how GW has abandoned it believing it has no more commercial viability. Let me tell you something. LOTR - Fantasy for starters & a means to know the different & common fantasy troupes. D&D - R.A Salvatore is good but there are better. Warcraft - Don't make me laugh; they themselves don't know where they are going; started out dark & moody but ended up being a fashion parody. The Witcher - Though the author of the series may not like it, it is one of the most well translated pen to paper story and a shining example of what even a small studio may achieve with dedication & without being sell-outs.

I've cited the above examples because they are among the fantasy literature upon which most commercially successful video games have been built. I know GW won't bring back the Old World but the least they can do is license it to studios to make games. Games like TW:Warhammer which have inspired the curiosity of many a person to explore this unique setting only to find it is no more. The grim stories & lore of the Old World beats any of the above mentioned examples hands-down. If only GW would allow it be showcased in video-games. I'm sure they will be flooded with requests to bring back the setting & it will be more viable than any 'Age of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥' miniatures or lorebooks they manage to sell.

Sorry, i get really triggered about this stuff. Hope you didn't read all of this because it is just the angry rant of an idiot wishing what can't be anymore

[Super Arthritis ⁧⁧ ⁧⁧Man]

They're merging it not separating it.