Suggested Levels for Various Difficulties

[*Logan*]

I am starting to consider myself a pretty good player, I am level 57 now and have completed some nightmare runs, but usually stick with Hard difficulties. I would say I have about a 50% success rate in hard mode with bots only. Bots like to die.
Often times though, I am seeing low level players (level 15-40) joining hard games and dying fast and ruining it for everyone. This happens when I join other peoples games, and find Level 20+s hosting hard mode and doing really bad at it, or low levels joining me and just failing to survive. Too many times. Especially on weekends.

My question is, what is the suggested level for each difficulty according to you experienced players out there?

Do you ever bother hosting or joining public games? I think I saw a topic once that wanted the developer to force a level requirement for each difficuly and I must agree now that I 100% support that.

Levels do mean a lot, the higher level you are the more experienced you are, and the more likly you figured out how important the regrowth trait is.

Thanks for your suggestions.

[Serana Eclipse]

Actualy that is false regarding Lvl meaning you have more experience. since lvl 10 i have been running nightmares and often end up with people higher then me doing poorly. or people joining my game and dieing or going the wrong way even when saying multiple times in chat this way or follow me please. all lvl means is you played alot. anyone could get to 100. it may take bad players longer but the point is still pretty valid as the game has been out a while. all tho i do agree that there should be some lock on the difficulty. for expample. they need to at least finish the base game before joining DLC mission on nightmare. too many times have i had people who dont know the core mechanics randomly join and then cost the run due to setting off an ambush or opening a door when no one else is ready.

[*Logan*]

Originally posted by Serana Eclipse:

Actualy that is false regarding Lvl meaning you have more experience. since lvl 10 i have been running nightmares and often end up with people higher then me doing poorly. or people joining my game and dieing or going the wrong way even when saying multiple times in chat this way or follow me please. all lvl means is you played alot. anyone could get to 100. it may take bad players longer but the point is still pretty valid as the game has been out a while. all tho i do agree that there should be some lock on the difficulty. for expample. they need to at least finish the base game before joining DLC mission on nightmare. too many times have i had people who dont know the core mechanics randomly join and then cost the run due to setting off an ambush or opening a door when no one else is ready.

I have a very hard time believing that you have the correct loadout with the right traits, and the experience and skill needed to survive nightmare runs at level 10.
You are either full of it, or a wonder child but I can see all those higher levels looking down on you and wondering what you are doing there.
I have not seen you play, but your claims are far fetched.

[Serana Eclipse]

well come play with me then! becuase they are not far fetched. and there are many simaler games to this in some respect. and as to people looking down on me. sure they can. its a game i play mainly solo with bots and if others join they join. i am running nightmare solo now with bots. it is not hard. takes longer if doing grim runs tho for multiple on a contract lol

[Kyrial]

Originally posted by *Logan*:

Originally posted by Serana Eclipse:

Actualy that is false regarding Lvl meaning you have more experience. since lvl 10 i have been running nightmares and often end up with people higher then me doing poorly. or people joining my game and dieing or going the wrong way even when saying multiple times in chat this way or follow me please. all lvl means is you played alot. anyone could get to 100. it may take bad players longer but the point is still pretty valid as the game has been out a while. all tho i do agree that there should be some lock on the difficulty. for expample. they need to at least finish the base game before joining DLC mission on nightmare. too many times have i had people who dont know the core mechanics randomly join and then cost the run due to setting off an ambush or opening a door when no one else is ready.

I have a very hard time believing that you have the correct loadout with the right traits, and the experience and skill needed to survive nightmare runs at level 10.
You are either full of it, or a wonder child but I can see all those higher levels looking down on you and wondering what you are doing there.
I have not seen you play, but your claims are far fetched.

And white runs in cata can be performed with an heavy experienced team.

Anyway, my advise is : dont jump in nightmare until you cant manage to take less than 250-300 taken in map. Same goes for cata.

Too much time i see players in cata (regardless the lvl) who takes 500/600+. Its not serious. (besides unlucky gutter Runner or ogre spawns and stuff like that, s**t happen to everyone :D)

[Kyrial]

Originally posted by Serana Eclipse:

well come play with me then! becuase they are not far fetched. and there are many simaler games to this in some respect. and as to people looking down on me. sure they can. its a game i play mainly solo with bots and if others join they join. i am running nightmare solo now with bots. it is not hard. takes longer if doing grim runs tho for multiple on a contract lol

Remember me when i tried white rat nightmare some days ago with my bot. Its was funny.

[thresholden]

I host a lot of pub cata games and never kick anyone so I get to see a lot of lower levels try cata for the first time. I'd say 0-30 is never competent in Cata and should play easy to hard unless with a premade. 30-80 is usually competent on Nightmare and rarely reliable in Cata. And 80 plus is various levels of competence on Cata.

[Serana Eclipse]

Originally posted by Kyrial:

Originally posted by Serana Eclipse:

well come play with me then! becuase they are not far fetched. and there are many simaler games to this in some respect. and as to people looking down on me. sure they can. its a game i play mainly solo with bots and if others join they join. i am running nightmare solo now with bots. it is not hard. takes longer if doing grim runs tho for multiple on a contract lol

Remember me when i tried white rat nightmare some days ago with my bot. Its was funny.

Dungeon and white rat are my most hated maps. i fear the day i get them in rotaion XD
But yes just a quick search and even common gear is used on high lvl play by people who work well together and know how to play. i just had a match where the guy higher lvl then me did not know how to heal team mates and kept friendly fire to the point he had 1 team kill and took most my hp in the run. im only lvl 44 atm but i can hold my own. i am even at the point with my sword and dagger i can take an ogre solo and take no dmg if my teammates have the other skaven busy. not tried an ogre on cata yet as i dont feel ready to do that yet.

Edit: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=848525629 yeah i do ok :)

[Baron]

Pushing level 300 myself.

The first thing to note is that not all maps are the same difficulty. Nightmare Dungeons with all grims/tomes is definitely more challenging than cata Man the Ramparts. I'll list challenging maps after this breakdown.

Try hard mode, on a not challenging map, once you have completed all of them on normal and have found two green weapons that you like, 1 melee and 1 ranged, and unlocked their traits.
This ends up being around level 10-15. Around 20, consider missions with tomes/grims on hard.

30 Is an acceptable level to start less challenging, no tome/grim nightmare missions. By 50, consider getting tomes/grims.

Once you have three trinkets of at least blue quality, have a fully unlocked ranged and melee weapon of orange quality for the same class that you have mastered, and have noticed than you usally take less than 400 damage in nightmare runs, you are ready to try the less challenging, no tome/grim, cata missions - only as that class. This usually ends up being about level 65.

Once you know how STR bombs work, how to dodge a hookrat/assassin, how to avoid ogre attacks reliably, how to block rez, when to use resources and when not to, how to fight in formation / how to corner up, usually take less than 500 damage on cata, can shoot a hookrat/assassin off of a teammate while you are surrounded by clanrats, immediately and without getting hit, you are ready to look into cata with grims/tomes. This usually lines up somewhere between 65 and 100. Say 80, for an average.

If the map is a DLC map, The White Rat, Well Watch, Supply and Demand, or Wheat and Chaff, increase the recommended level by about 30%.

So that'd put minimum req for a Castle Drachenfels or Khazid Kro with grims/tomes on nightmare at 65. And it'd put minimum req for cata Dungeons with grims/tomes at 105.

[j0shimi]

I've just reached the early 30's and have nearly completed all maps on Nightmare with various groups of randoms, in no way was I carried through by high level players, in fact some of my best games have been with lower levels players.

As long as a player knows their role in the group, levels don't matter too much. There is a definitely a finesse to success in this game and it honestly comes down to understanding a groups balance and each player knowing their role as crowd control, damage dealer and working in unison with your group.

[Myrmidon]

We won't ever come to a consensus over this because talent and ♥♥♥♥ come in all stripes. Literally the only level recommendation I'd be comfortable making would be 30+ for nightmare onwards because that guarrantees 3 trinket slots. Any more though and it doesn't prove anything or intrinsically guarrantee any kind of standard.

[Vacca]

Around 30-40.

[Serana Eclipse]

Originally posted by *Logan*:

Originally posted by Serana Eclipse:

Actualy that is false regarding Lvl meaning you have more experience. since lvl 10 i have been running nightmares and often end up with people higher then me doing poorly. or people joining my game and dieing or going the wrong way even when saying multiple times in chat this way or follow me please. all lvl means is you played alot. anyone could get to 100. it may take bad players longer but the point is still pretty valid as the game has been out a while. all tho i do agree that there should be some lock on the difficulty. for expample. they need to at least finish the base game before joining DLC mission on nightmare. too many times have i had people who dont know the core mechanics randomly join and then cost the run due to setting off an ambush or opening a door when no one else is ready.

I have a very hard time believing that you have the correct loadout with the right traits, and the experience and skill needed to survive nightmare runs at level 10.
You are either full of it, or a wonder child but I can see all those higher levels looking down on you and wondering what you are doing there.
I have not seen you play, but your claims are far fetched.

BTW check my achievments. iv beaten cata (at lvl 40). you have over 80 hours more played then me and you havent yet (also in those 80 hours you are only 13 lvls higher then me) . before you insult people at least check. also for refference i am currently lvl 44 with 60 hours played and 3 hours ish AFK time.

[kejim]

"Three trinkets" doesn't mean a whole lot.. especially mentioning their rarity. I'd rather have someone with one green healshare in my group, than someone with 3 oranges like Gunnery Guide that would help them burn his own team better.

I can run solo NM with a grim and 3 tomes at 69 (could from maybe level 40-50 up, I'd imagine).
Items and weapon traits help, but most of it is in skill and experience, which many people acquire at different speed.

I can easily imagine a lvl10 holding his own in Nightmare, if the person is generally good at games and plays with a more experienced friend from the start. On the other hand, another dude might have played all the way to 150 and still struggle on hard.. And it's fine, he's having his fun, it only proves the point that level doesn't mean AS much.

[j0shimi]

I think hit the nail on the head kejim, as long as you're having fun... I consider playing with randoms much like the games loot RNG, you get some good and some bad, some high levels might look good on paper but they turn out to be a terrible orange compared to your trusty blue!

[kejim]

Originally posted by j0shimi:

I think hit the nail on the head kejim, as long as you're having fun... I consider playing with randoms much like the games loot RNG, you get some good and some bad, some high levels might look good on paper but they turn out to be a terrible orange compared to your trusty blue!

Well, that works both ways, though... If you're struggling with Hard, you probably shouldn't join Cataclysm games just because you're level 150.

Oranges usually come with such traits, they're just asking to be rerolled. A couple dozen times. :)