Oh Telltale, you idiots

[Zaxx]

Okay, so basically the only reason I kept playing the game after I found out that there is no real poker to be found here, only lackluster AI and cards that are actively helping that AI I stayed only because of the bounties (and because with Omaha the game is actually not purely some luck based idiocy like Texas Holdem is with the cheating RNG). I won 2 of them easily but then happens this: I get bounty challenges where I have to win a hand with 2 players plus me going all in + win a hand with a kicker. PURELY LUCK BASED ♥♥♥♥ING ♥♥♥♥.

It's clear to me that if I keep playing for like 10 hours eventually these things will happen but guess what? I won't because I have no way to influence those two challenges, it's only luck (and also idiotic: 3 people going all in? wtf is this, some kind of kid's cartoon?). Seriously Telltale, go to hell, this is the worst poker game I have ever seen, playing a slot machine involves more strategy. I'm uninstalling the ♥♥♥♥ out of this game, it was not worth the money even with 75% off.

[JP]

You might be surprised if you played live low-stakes poker with weak players. The group I play with now actually really plays like this. No problem taking in 400-600/night in a $1/$2 cash game. Sure there are some bad beats when they dont fold 7 2 to a 4x raise just because they were BB, and flop 447 against your AA or KK, but thems the breaks.

[luka1]

I dont know why you have created a topic to cry. Nobody give's a ♥♥♥♥ if you expected a real poker simulator, and blah blah blah. Serious man, this is just a game to pick some itens for another games, and it's very cheap. If you want real poker go play pokerstars

[Conga Lyne]

Originally posted by Zaxx:

playing a slot machine involves more strategy.

Where

[BerserkerMushroom]

you just need to learn how to play the AI . go all in at the river against 2 players with little money left without betting much at the start. just be aggressive and you win a lot

[Zaxx]

Originally posted by BerserkerMushroom:

you just need to learn how to play the AI . go all in at the river against 2 players with little money left without betting much at the start. just be aggressive and you win a lot

Yep, actually that's exactly what I did but here's what's wrong there: that situation occurs by chance, there is very little you can do in order to make it happen. It's not a "challenge", it's a random event.

[Rithm Fluffderg]

Originally posted by Zaxx:

Originally posted by BerserkerMushroom:

you just need to learn how to play the AI . go all in at the river against 2 players with little money left without betting much at the start. just be aggressive and you win a lot

Yep, actually that's exactly what I did but here's what's wrong there: that situation occurs by chance, there is very little you can do in order to make it happen. It's not a "challenge", it's a random event.

Random events? In poker? The horror.

[Zaxx]

Originally posted by Witchyjoshy:

Originally posted by Zaxx:

Yep, actually that's exactly what I did but here's what's wrong there: that situation occurs by chance, there is very little you can do in order to make it happen. It's not a "challenge", it's a random event.

Random events? In poker? The horror.

The thing is that you can have an effect on the game's randomness with the way you play but here it only works 50% of the time.

[Mr_Faorry]

Look who didn't do their research before impulsivly buying a game


Great job idiot

[Zaxx]

Originally posted by Nick 'the cage' Cage:

Look who didn't do their research before impulsivly buying a game


Great job idiot

Wat? :D How do you research a game's deeper mechanics BEFORE playing it? I won't call you names because I'm better than that but actually the game was "free" for me because I bought it in a sale from money I've gathered from selling a few cards. Have a nice day!

[Blue Candle]

Glad you agree this game cheats. not even 3 hours in. Had to go all in, had a strong hand being 4 of a kind of something like that and the basterd pulls a royal flush on me and I lose. Only reason why people still play this is cause they know the character "tells" when their bluffing or strong hand and knowing the real probability of card outcomes which this game skews.

[Trojaxx]

The game is pretty fair from what I've seen. You're probably like those people that claim that every online poker site they play on is "rigged". I got the $1,000,000 achievement pretty easily after learning how to play poker properly. If you don't know what you're doing this game will punish you hard for it.

[Trojaxx]

Originally posted by Blue Candle:

Glad you agree this game cheats. not even 3 hours in. Had to go all in, had a strong hand being 4 of a kind of something like that and the basterd pulls a royal flush on me and I lose. Only reason why people still play this is cause they know the character "tells" when their bluffing or strong hand and knowing the real probability of card outcomes which this game skews.

Sorry this happened, sometimes you get hands where you cant help but pay off your opponent. With luck like that I would hit up a casino. Bad beat jackpots give you upward of $3,000 depending on the casino.

[Zaxx]

Originally posted by Thundershock.:

The game is pretty fair from what I've seen. You're probably like those people that claim that every online poker site they play on is "rigged". I got the $1,000,000 achievement pretty easily after learning how to play poker properly. If you don't know what you're doing this game will punish you hard for it.

Well, it seems you doesn't really know what you are talking about: there is a difference between "fair" and "real." The game is fair in the sense that it doesn't ♥♥♥♥ you over all the time and you can avoid most of those situations by buying the AI drinks and stuff like that but my point wasn't this, my point was that it has nothing to do with the actual game called poker. Yes, the situations I've described as ridiculous in the game can happen in real life, the problem is they won't happen frequently and some of them would be stories you'd tell your grandchildren. Maybe my wording was bad because it's not just the AI that is "cheating" like this, it's the whole game with the player included.

Sure, the game is playable and it's really easy to win once you get to know how the AI plays, I just hope that nobody will start playing real poker based on the "knowledge" you get from this game.

Anyway if I remember correctly my original post was a bit harsh because I think this game had a huge potential but seems like they didn't go all in with that (pun intended :D). I'd be freakin' happy if this was a full fledged single player poker game because they nailed the atmosphere and it's just awesome to play against classic characters like Sam. I think that instead of the simplicifations like "hey, buy a beer for the dude!" or that stronger hands happen more frequently than in real life (that goes for the AI and you too) to speed up the gameplay this could have been the best poker game ever created. Sure you can understand these decisions because guess Telltale was like "hey, it's a video game, there can be no periods where nothing is happening" but I think that a more varied experience would have been enough to help out the boring moments a real poker game has.

I'd really like to see Telltale go all the way next time: more characters, deeper gameplay, a poker tutorial for newcomers, maybe an online mode with chips or with money from your Steam wallet if that's something Valve / Telltale could do legally. It sure as hell would be more legal in my eyes than the latest auction house bs Valve did.

Btw. people say stories about online poker services cheating because back in the day when online poker was basically the wild west of online gambling those things did happen. Another problem with online poker is that cheating is possible by using stuff that shouldn't be used:
http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news/18318-wsop-bracelet-winner-jailed-for-web-poker-cheating

This dude cheated continously for 5 years, the fact that he could do it for so long speaks volumes on the security of some of these services.

[Trojaxx]

@Zaxx
I'm not sure why you resorted to saying I "doesn't know what I'm talking about" then go on to refute none of the points that I made. There is a difference between fair and real and neither have much bearing on the other.. You list stories of your personal experiences with the game as if the things that happened to you are the definitive example of how the game deals. Over thousands of hands played in this game I've seen a straight flush once and I was the one that had it. Does that mean others have seen similar circumstances? No. Just because a player lost to a royal flush once or twice does that mean that the game cheats? Also no. As I said, bad beats happen, and if you suffer a bad beat it just means you're playing correctly and will win more than you lose in the long run.
You win by realizing what your opponents in the game are; Average joes messing around with a game they're not very good at. No they're not human opponents but the mechanics of the game are the same in a real game of holdem. Telltale has stated several times that the game follows the spirit of fairness and the cards are dealt completely randomly, they also asked the question "What incentive do we have to make the game unfair to the players?". They have none. If you're losing consistently then it's due to a lack of poker skill and nothing more.

By the way that article you linked was about an individual player cheating with multiple accounts on an online poker site to gain an advantage by having multiple spots on the same table. The poker site itself had done nothing illicit, the player however was committing fraud.

[Zaxx]

Originally posted by Thundershock.:

@Zaxx
I'm not sure why you resorted to saying I "doesn't know what I'm talking about" then go on to refute none of the points that I made. There is a difference between fair and real and neither have much bearing on the other.. You list stories of your personal experiences with the game as if the things that happened to you are the definitive example of how the game deals. Over thousands of hands played in this game I've seen a straight flush once and I was the one that had it. Does that mean others have seen similar circumstances? No. Just because a player lost to a royal flush once or twice does that mean that the game cheats? Also no. As I said, bad beats happen, and if you suffer a bad beat it just means you're playing correctly and will win more than you lose in the long run.
You win by realizing what your opponents in the game are; Average joes messing around with a game they're not very good at. No they're not human opponents but the mechanics of the game are the same in a real game of holdem. Telltale has stated several times that the game follows the spirit of fairness and the cards are dealt completely randomly, they also asked the question "What incentive do we have to make the game unfair to the players?". They have none. If you're losing consistently then it's due to a lack of poker skill and nothing more.

By the way that article you linked was about an individual player cheating with multiple accounts on an online poker site to gain an advantage by having multiple spots on the same table. The poker site itself had done nothing illicit, the player however was committing fraud.

Okay, seems like we're talking about absolutely dfferent stuff. Try reading my comment next time (especially the OP and the clarification of that), this is pointless.