Is there ANY advantage to being human?

[KillerKrieg]

I am looking at the stat caps and there doesn't seem to be.

[Clockwork]

I see 2 advantages at being human (3 in Shadowrun : Dragonfall) :

- the human starts with a +3 karma bonus, whilst most of the others start with only +2 to one specific stat (except for the troll who gets +2 to two specific stats), which is 1 extra karma.

- the human is quite versatile, allowing for better improvisation (I once played a troll and found myself making a working Jack of all trade build, except that the stat caps were too low for some stats). If you were to play a game where you focus more on the story than on an actual fighting machine or trying to make a Jack of all trade of some kind, you'll find out it's impossible to reach karma caps.

- In Dragonfall, I had a conversation where I needed 4 Charisma to pick a choice when playing my troll, where I needed only 3 when playing my human. I don't know if it's related to the races or something else, but I didn't noticed any similar situation.

[KillerKrieg]

Thank you. Also, thank you for marking spoilers. I am not into Dragonfall yet and don't wanna know anything about it.

[Konstantin]

Ok something in the end, it is positiv beeing an elf because you can so get the job as a vice security manager. Any other races just get the adviser job.

[Clockwork]

Originally posted by Konstantin5500:

Ok something in the end, it is positiv beeing an elf because you can so get the job as a vice security manager. Any other races just get the adviser job.

A Consultant actually. But do you really want to become a corporate slave ? Payday's good of course, but no more shadowrunning :|

[Konstantin]

Originally posted by Clockwork:

Originally posted by Konstantin5500:

Ok something in the end, it is positiv beeing an elf because you can so get the job as a vice security manager. Any other races just get the adviser job.

A Consultant actually. But do you really want to become a corporate slave ? Payday's good of course, but no more shadowrunning :|

Well New Larry has had enough of his Shadowrunner life but yeah, some of them want their freedom and would keep running and some want to have some security and would go working but is that job is really better then to run and have some day enough money for living the rest of your life in a villa on cuba?

[Heartbreaker]

Nominally, apart from the versatility, you can make a human about as good as any metahuman. The problem with this game is that there are no real other downsides to being a metahuman than what you might find in the pencil and paper RPG. You don't run into the problems orks or trolls, for instance, would have trying to interact in a largely human society such as Seattle. The reverse is the case in Tir Tairngire, out of Portland, where the majority are Elves, Dwarves, and Orks, and Humans and Trolls are the minority.

[KillerKrieg]

I really think that humans should have a point more strength and body available to them than elves. This is something that is supposedly part of Shadowrun lore from what I've heard - and it was also echoed in the terrible console-FPS version of Shadowrun we saw on the Xbox360. Even if humans were given another point for body and strength, Elves would still have a large number of advantages, as would other metas, and I STILL think humans wouldn't have any advantages over Dwarves would they?

[Konstantin]

Äh nop Killer, Elves are just more charming and has mor agility then humans but they where always as strong as humans.

[KillerKrieg]

Even still, in Xbox 360 shadowrun humans were 'meatier' meaning they would have more durability. They did have higher HP. And regardless of 'how it always was' a point of strength would help for balance, considering humans having no advantage to metas is a departure from 'how it always was' to begin with.

[Konstantin]

XBox Shadowrun is not canon

[KillerKrieg]

I don't know. A +3 karma bonus doesn't really matter much when, say you import your character to other scenarios regularly like I do. I still think it needs to be rebalanced. I do prefer to play as a human but I feel there should be some incentive too aswell.