Kenshi
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Grimmrog_SIG Mar 23, 2017 @ 4:14am
The Kenshi Lore Thread: Discussing and Theorising
Let us use this thread for dicsussing the current lore as well as the past of Kenshi's world and theorise like a master in tinfoilhat crafting.
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Reverend Belial Mar 9, 2019 @ 5:01pm 
Originally posted by Darkwood:
dang... that would explain this: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1626128763
That doesn't even look vanilla, if you have any mods it might be added by one of them.
Darkwood Mar 9, 2019 @ 5:24pm 
Maybe, but I doubt it because the mods I used at the time did not change much, plus this only appeared when doing edditing mode and vanished when left that mode... Ill see if I can find this place again and remove the mods giant black gorillo + ruin I think was the place
Erei Mar 9, 2019 @ 8:08pm 
Originally posted by Darkwood:
dang... that would explain this: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1626128763
It's the hidden asset to note the presence of a town. You have one in the middle of each player made outpost, for example. Perhaps in every town.

You can only see it through the use of the "dev" menu. It is not supposed to be seen in regular play.

Since it really look like a statue of Athena, I suspect it's a generic asset. Since we are not supposed to see it, they never updated it.

Edit, a quick google fu found this :
https://fr.3dexport.com/3dmodel-athena-statue-175093.htm

So yes, it's a statue of Athena. And I'm fairly certain it is not related to the lore of the game, it's just either a stock asset or something they bought early on as placeholder.
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Guyguyga Mar 9, 2019 @ 11:39pm 
I found this game a while back, and it piqued my interested. I decided to do some research on the game and probably spent a little too much time reading up on its wiki, and noticed some information about the old world, namely the old empire, which once ruled the entire world. It was succeeded by the second empire, ruled only by robots, but was eventually dismantled.

I think this game sort of follows along the lines of robots going rampant a la "The Matrix" or "Terminator." We advanced in technology to the point of creating hyper intelligent AI and they turned on us, creating a dystopian future, I.E. "War against the machines." We humans fought against our own creations and won, but in the process, lost many important pieces of ourselves, such as our history, technology, and our past in general.

It could be that the other races were simply man-made or machine engineered some time during this timeline. That, or they could simply be a byproduct of all that has happened.
Darkwood Mar 10, 2019 @ 8:33am 
Originally posted by ส็็็็็็:
I found this game a while back, and it piqued my interested. I decided to do some research on the game and probably spent a little too much time reading up on its wiki, and noticed some information about the old world, namely the old empire, which once ruled the entire world. It was succeeded by the second empire, ruled only by robots, but was eventually dismantled.

I think this game sort of follows along the lines of robots going rampant a la "The Matrix" or "Terminator." We advanced in technology to the point of creating hyper intelligent AI and they turned on us, creating a dystopian future, I.E. "War against the machines." We humans fought against our own creations and won, but in the process, lost many important pieces of ourselves, such as our history, technology, and our past in general.

It could be that the other races were simply man-made or machine engineered some time during this timeline. That, or they could simply be a byproduct of all that has happened.


Yeah something like that is probably true. I suppose that Hivers could have been made to replace skeletons, for various reasons
Reverend Belial Mar 10, 2019 @ 1:04pm 
I still disagree with that theory. I think the Shek were probably engineered as a warrior class, but I don't think the Hivers are connected to the lost empires in any way.
Wraith Mar 10, 2019 @ 2:57pm 
well hivers could be since their queen is actually mechanical.
Darkwood Mar 10, 2019 @ 2:59pm 
Thats what I was kinda thinking, and I think they would be used to replace skeletons since *I think maybe* skeletons may be a little confused by them. Could have been shek, but I thought skeletons did not know where Hivers came from.
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Guyguyga Mar 10, 2019 @ 3:53pm 
I don't think they were meant as "skeleton replacements." I don't have any theories of how they came to be within the time line I set out, but they seem to mimic the system of ants, termites, etc.

Best I could think of is that they came to be during the height of human technology when someone messed with caste system bugs and genetically modified them, or they could have come to be from the mutations that seem to run rampant in this world, perhaps from a nuclear war.
Darkwood Mar 10, 2019 @ 6:42pm 
Hmm interesting...
hi thank you Mar 14, 2019 @ 12:28pm 
So i've been reading through this thread and also uncovering all the lore I can find in game. I really love that piecing together the lore is up to the player. That method of explaining the world suits Kenshi brilliantly. I really hope that someday there is more explanation for the world other than "its up to interpretation." I really love that the lore is hard to find, but I think it would be frustrating if "it's up to interpretation" is the only answer to the burning questions I have about Kenshi's history. Anyway, I havent made it all the way through this thread because there's a lot to read, but here's what I think might have happened so far.

Unless I am totally wrong, which I freely admit im probably totally wrong about lots of what im about to say, I think that a very long time ago this new world was colonized by humanity. Humans had became advanced enough to reach this new world and also to invent sentient mechanical and biological servants to carry out the task of exploiting the planet's resources. Humanity and their servants, (shek, hivers, skeletons,) spent an undetermined period of time taking everything they could from the planet until some kind of cataclysm occurred that ruined most of the continent and ended contact with any other civilizations out in space. This event was so terrible that it ruined large swaths of the environment, in some areas literally flooding the land for long periods of time. I think the leviathan coast, on the opposite side of the continent from the ashlands, where the original civilization used to exist, is probably an example of what most of the world looked like before this first apocalypse happened.

I do have a working theory about what this apocalypse was. I think that the skeleton's guilt over *something* is a major tell about what actually happened. I also think that the bugmaster plays into this. Let me explain.

If i'm right about humanity coming to this new world with mechanical and biological servants of their own design, I think its also completely within the realm of possibility that humans used the same type of science to essentially make themselves immortal or at least extremely powerful, intelligent and immune to aging. The bugmaster may be one of these ancient human beings, perhaps the last one left on the planet. It can't be coincidence that when you beat him and loot his chest he has a map to the ashlands where cat-lon is and its implied that hes training to go defeat him. Maybe its for simple revenge or just for control of whatever remaining technology is in cat-lons city, who knows. Might be both, even. It'd be neat if it had something to do with that floating ship above cat-lon.

If the bugmaster is one of these ancient humans, its also possible that he was capable of exuding a pheremone to control the spider colonies of Arach, or that he was smart enough to figure out a way to control them in a similar way.

So here is what I think happened. Skeletons, as humanity's most intelligent servants, are tired of being subservient to humanity. However, humans have stacked the deck greatly against any sort of rebellion by controlling the most powerful weapons of war and their natural enhanced strength and intelligence. In order to succeed, the skeletons were forced to commit absolutely heinous atrocities against the humans. This first battle is what originally started the first mass extinction events that were documented, and in some way also reduced humanity's genetic advantage, reverting them back to their original forms (IE just like normal humans again.) This is also probably the start of the devastation thats evident everywhere in the world.

Whatever they did, they must have also severed contact with whatever civilizations are out in the galaxy at the same time. That part im REALLY reaching for though, it could be that Kenshi is the only world with human life on it or it could be just a minor mining colony that fell out of contact with the rest of humanity, and humanity doesn't care about it because it has bigger problems, or Kenshi is just that insignificant.

Anyway, if i'm right that Kenshi is just a colony world, there needs to be some explanation as to why the rest of humanity hasnt come back to check out whats going on. Maybe the Skeleton rebellion spanned the entire breadth of a galactic civilization. Who knows.

So then we have the first and second empires. They're both notable for conflicts between skeletons and humans, though most of the details are left blank. Cat-lon mentions that he tried to control the humans, so I think its possible that the Skeletons probably tried to reverse roles on humanity and rule them, but it ended terribly because humans wouldnt cooperate. This resulted in further decay, extinction and regression of technology.

At this point it isn't hard to see why the Skeletons are depressed and generally tight lipped about what really happened to the world when they get asked about it. They might be responsible for reducing their creators from almost demigods to tiny brains scrabbling in the mud and sand, desperate to survive. They're also clearly at least partially responsible for the tremendous destruction thats evident in so many areas of the continent. This is probably why the world of kenshi is currently divided up by the other races while the skeletons lack any real representation in world politics except for the small influence of the anti-slavers and machinists. Despite being smart and strong enough to control everyone else, many of them wipe their memories to stop remembering the bad times or just stay depressed, wandering the world in search of some kind of redemption, or fuming in their ancient home like cat-lon.

I completely agree with what you're probably thinking, this is essentially just head cannon. But I'd like to think its kind of an educated head cannon. I completely admit that most of these leaps im making is just stuff that I think would be a cool explanation for the big question marks left in the world. I will defend myself a little and say that I don't think the Sci-Fi explanation I presented is totally unrealistic. After all we're talking about an ancient civilization capable of creating Particle Uplink Cannons from C&C, sapient humanoid robots, gigantic robots used as weapons, tremendously large manufacturing facilities and what appears to be a floating spaceship.
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piebob the duder Mar 14, 2019 @ 7:59pm 
i dont buy into the colony world idea. i whould say that the kenshi world is likeley the homebace and they were in the begining stages of exploring space- maby further than that
hi thank you Mar 14, 2019 @ 9:14pm 
Originally posted by piebob292:
i dont buy into the colony world idea. i whould say that the kenshi world is likeley the homebace and they were in the begining stages of exploring space- maby further than that
Is there any evidence that makes you think the colony idea isn't right, or is it just your gut feeling you're talking about? Im not super attached to the idea, but I think it basically fits this world that has tons of evidence of very advanced ancient technology all over the continent. If the setting is really just that humans, shek and hivers all started life on the same planet then I think we start running into problems with the established timeline. I might be thinking about it harder than the devs did, though.
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Shidan Mar 14, 2019 @ 10:00pm 
The issue with the colony concept is that there is no evidence to support it. Not a single mention of anything remotely similar in the dialog or books.

The presence of ancient stone ruins, cobblestone roads, and stone bricks points to an ancient civilization predating what we call the first civilization. Quite possibly the origins of the first civilization itself.

All the intelligent races of Kenshi appear to be offshoots of the same survivors of the events that ended the first civilization. According to the in-game scientists anyway. Even humans are said to look significantly different than they used to in Kenshi's history, which means the Bugmaster is likely somewhat recent, given he has no visual differences when compared to a normal human.
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