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Grimmrog_SIG 2017 年 3 月 23 日 上午 4:14
The Kenshi Lore Thread: Discussing and Theorising
Let us use this thread for dicsussing the current lore as well as the past of Kenshi's world and theorise like a master in tinfoilhat crafting.
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Erei 2019 年 1 月 25 日 上午 6:59 
Broken machine are broken machine. I don't think you can encounter them near cat lon, only in the floodlands and ruins. The machine near cat lon are a different faction. And they would probably be friendly to them, since they are skeleton, and for the drone skeleton are 1rst Empire citizen anyway.
As for the rest, you have to note that this is a game, and as such they have to use the faction system to make faction not attack each other and whatnot. Also, sometimes they can forget some. It's not meant to be accurate.

But still, Skeleton Bandit think they are skeleton and are led by a skeleton who want to destroy humanity. Since cat lon's soldiers are skeleton, they leave them alone. Skin bandits kill human to wear their skin, since cat lon's soldiers are skeleton, they don't attack them.
None of tham imply they are aware of cat lon. Only that his skeleton are not a threat to them. Similarly, if you have a skeleton party, you can go pretty much everywhere around them without being attacked.

They probably made them allies/neutral because it kinda make sense, and to prevent constant warfare between the 3 factions. Especially since skin bandits HQ is literally in front of Cat lon walls.

Cat lon seems to be very isolasionist. He keep his "frontier" and kill everyone that try to go in. He doesn't seem to care one bit about what happen outside his walls.
最後修改者:Erei; 2019 年 1 月 25 日 上午 7:00
Shidan 2019 年 1 月 25 日 上午 7:17 
I don't buy that it's a simple mechanics thing to stop them from attacking each other. They would use coexistence for that, not an alliance. The only times I've seen the devs use the alliance system between factions is for actually ally situations.

For example, the United Heroes League, the racist Greenlander group in the UC, is allied to the HN. Though the HN is not allied back.

The Nomads and Shrieking Bandits are also allies. Which seems very odd, until you notice a Tech Hunter book that suggests the Shriekers may be Nomads.

And then we have the Thrall Masters, who are allied to Skeleton Legion jus tlike all the other "evil" skeleton groups. Yet unlike all the other groups are nowhere remotely near the Legion's territory. This alliance serves no purpose from a mechanical perspective, as the Legion and the Thrall Masters would never meet in normal gameplay. So I can only think there are lore reasons behind the alliances.
Erei 2019 年 1 月 25 日 上午 9:05 
I always thought the Thrall master where part of the 2nd Empire, since they use the same enthralling stuff. But then, the armor king have thralls to now (it was changed apparently, from the spider to the thrall).

I was just saying that the faction relation is tricky to use because it's a gameplay thing, wether it represent something or not. And we had stuff like river raptor being in a faction with the leviathan, even though from the lore it makes little sense (raptors creating a faction ?). Also, it's something the players can't access without breaking the 4th wall, for the most part.

Even if they know about cat lon, it doesn't matter anyway, since the 2nd empire is dead, and its leader is completely mad with apparently no intentions to do anything but protect his part of the island. He is the "get off my lawn" crazy dude.
Wether they know about him or not doesn't matter, they don't seems to be wanting a return of the 2nd empire or anything related to it.

Which lead to something weird, with the world unaware of its existence, and the various factions being weaker than ever (HN have lost much, Sheks are divided and in a precarious situation, while UC is fighting civil war and is still weakened by the last rebellion), why does he not do anything ? Why has he been there for centuries ?

When we met him, he is expecting us, kinda. He says his jugement has come "so soon". But he didn't do anything but wait since the fall. Even though the attacks stopped centuries ago.

Why didn't he unleash his legion onto the world yet ? He could have taken all the south part of the map without much resistance. Even if the HN makes peace with UC for the occasion, that would still be tough.
And he certainly have the kind of firepower to do some damage, with the giant "king" robots thing, and the enthralled army.
Also, that would be if he didn't find allies. There is a lot of tensions around, and almost nobody is aware of what the 2nd Empire truly was. Not even the tech hunters seems to be aware on how it ended.
Grimmrog_SIG 2019 年 1 月 25 日 上午 9:11 
引用自 Erei
I always thought the Thrall master where part of the 2nd Empire, since they use the same enthralling stuff. But then, the armor king have thralls to now (it was changed apparently, from the spider to the thrall).

I was just saying that the faction relation is tricky to use because it's a gameplay thing, wether it represent something or not. And we had stuff like river raptor being in a faction with the leviathan, even though from the lore it makes little sense (raptors creating a faction ?). Also, it's something the players can't access without breaking the 4th wall, for the most part.

Even if they know about cat lon, it doesn't matter anyway, since the 2nd empire is dead, and its leader is completely mad with apparently no intentions to do anything but protect his part of the island. He is the "get off my lawn" crazy dude.
Wether they know about him or not doesn't matter, they don't seems to be wanting a return of the 2nd empire or anything related to it.

Which lead to something weird, with the world unaware of its existence, and the various factions being weaker than ever (HN have lost much, Sheks are divided and in a precarious situation, while UC is fighting civil war and is still weakened by the last rebellion), why does he not do anything ? Why has he been there for centuries ?

When we met him, he is expecting us, kinda. He says his jugement has come "so soon". But he didn't do anything but wait since the fall. Even though the attacks stopped centuries ago.

Why didn't he unleash his legion onto the world yet ? He could have taken all the south part of the map without much resistance. Even if the HN makes peace with UC for the occasion, that would still be tough.
And he certainly have the kind of firepower to do some damage, with the giant "king" robots thing, and the enthralled army.
Also, that would be if he didn't find allies. There is a lot of tensions around, and almost nobody is aware of what the 2nd Empire truly was. Not even the tech hunters seems to be aware on how it ended.

I can imagine they cannot leave easily like this as most skeletons replace parts with the scrap of others, they might not have the supplies to march out as a legion. Additionally they would have to walk through the zone where the fire coms down, pretty much somethign they wouldn't do. Also, they still need troops at home keeping stuff in check there. He probably doesn't even know who is how weak.
Shidan 2019 年 1 月 25 日 上午 9:34 
There is evidence to suggest they're busy building up their power. The Spider Factory is run by a Screamer after all, the same kind that makes up the bulk of the Legion. And that model of skeleton is never seen in a situation that is not part of, or allied to, the Legion.

So you could see it as them trying to bide time while they build an army. Using the bandits and thrall masters as protections to keep the other nations away and unaware. Time means nearly nothing to a skeleton after all.
Erei 2019 年 1 月 25 日 上午 10:26 
Yeah, but centuries ? In that time they could have built a massive army already, and it's nowhere to be seen. The factory have what, 20 skeletons ? Is that all they did in all this time ?


It's probably the slowest army build up ever.
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Reverend Belial 2019 年 1 月 25 日 上午 10:34 
引用自 Erei
Yeah, but centuries ? In that time they could have built a massive army already, and it's nowhere to be seen. The factory have what, 20 skeletons ? Is that all they did in all this time ?


It's probably the slowest army build up ever.
It might have taken all that time just to get the machinery working. I imagine that replacement parts are hard to come by these days.
Bedelguese 2019 年 1 月 25 日 上午 10:37 
I see huge squads of Legion in the Ashlands, more than I see UC troops in general actually. They've definitely been building up
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Shidan 2019 年 1 月 25 日 上午 10:41 
Also huge parties of them on the Forbidden Isle where the factory is. So they could easily have made several hundred of these. Not to mention, we have no clue when the factory was started up again, for all we know it was far more recent.

Given the Thrall Masters are allies as well, it's not impossible they supply the Thralls the legion uses as well. But since we don't know the process of Thralling, who knows.
引用自 Shidan
I don't buy that it's a simple mechanics thing to stop them from attacking each other. They would use coexistence for that, not an alliance. The only times I've seen the devs use the alliance system between factions is for actually ally situations.

For example, the United Heroes League, the racist Greenlander group in the UC, is allied to the HN. Though the HN is not allied back.

The Nomads and Shrieking Bandits are also allies. Which seems very odd, until you notice a Tech Hunter book that suggests the Shriekers may be Nomads.

And then we have the Thrall Masters, who are allied to Skeleton Legion jus tlike all the other "evil" skeleton groups. Yet unlike all the other groups are nowhere remotely near the Legion's territory. This alliance serves no purpose from a mechanical perspective, as the Legion and the Thrall Masters would never meet in normal gameplay. So I can only think there are lore reasons behind the alliances.

The thrall masters are near that strange monument in the gray desert, the one with the gas and ninjas near it. There is also a broken waystation in thrall master terrortory.

I suspect that the way station ruins are newish, but at the same time why would they build a way station in dangerous laser from the sky land? so unless the lasers ♥♥♥♥ posistion from time to time, then something is amiss.

I suspect that the thrall masters are a forward deployed recon force that is there to keep people away from the south east. There is a ruined tech hunters outpost near the ash lands, so i would think cat lon would want to take preventive measures to keep the curious away from his kingdom.
Erei 2019 年 1 月 25 日 下午 4:30 
Lasers don't hurt skeleton. So, free protection I guess ?
Grimmrog_SIG 2019 年 1 月 25 日 下午 4:46 
引用自 Erei
Lasers don't hurt skeleton. So, free protection I guess ?

Well those lasers were one used to blast the entire area, so they are now either weaker or just weak for gameplay reasons. But mostlikely they would cosnider them still heavily destrucitve and may avoid that area.
Darkwood 2019 年 1 月 25 日 下午 7:52 
Well they probably broke over time, one is already broken. What if it hit the ground now, if it's breaking... wouldn't that worry the skeletons... like it blasts randomly, weaker power, the other orbital beam of death hit the ground. The origional one may have been destroyed in the war/apocalypse, but what if something caused the other one to hit the ground, and what if it will? That could be really really bad.
Grimmrog_SIG 2019 年 1 月 26 日 上午 2:20 
引用自 Darkwood
Well they probably broke over time, one is already broken. What if it hit the ground now, if it's breaking... wouldn't that worry the skeletons... like it blasts randomly, weaker power, the other orbital beam of death hit the ground. The origional one may have been destroyed in the war/apocalypse, but what if something caused the other one to hit the ground, and what if it will? That could be really really bad.

once people realise that passage is open it could cause a lot of interest mainly for the tech hunters, how much it would affect major factions and their effort to clash into each other or their hope for treasure hunting. Makes me also wonder if the southern hive would start streaming over to the remaining world. Lot's of access to meat for them.
最後修改者:Grimmrog_SIG; 2019 年 1 月 26 日 上午 4:03
BlitzBob NoPants 2019 年 1 月 26 日 上午 3:18 
引用自 Erei
I always thought the Thrall master where part of the 2nd Empire, since they use the same enthralling stuff. But then, the armor king have thralls to now (it was changed apparently, from the spider to the thrall).

If you stand around the armor King for long enough however, he mentions that he stole his thralls from the ashlands himself. I guess that means he didn't enthrall his fellow skeletons. I think him having thralls that way means it's still probable that enthralling is mostly a second empire remnants thing and that the thrall masters may indeed have some connection to cat-lon.

on a sidenote; Can anyone confirm that it is indeed cat-lon? Since with capital letters Cat-Ion could also be Cat-ion?
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