Anyone been able to recruit Shinobi thieves?

[Slutski]

You know, sometimes ♥♥♥♥ in UC cities really hits the fan and said cities become bloodbaths, guards are becoming hostile to tech hunters, Shinobi bros, manhunters and so on. Shinobi leaders (especially them), guards and traders got rather good skills. I've been trying to save them from slavery, but all of them were just "nah dude, I'm going my way". Is it scripted or anything, or their personalities are too much to handle? So far the only way is see is to BUY them from the slave houses. No relation related mods btw.

upd: Alright, seems like buying them from slavery also doesn't work. Bought one of the heavy-stat'ed Shinobi guards, they are following me just like that. Upon leaving the city, they are telling me how busy they are, running for their own way. Sad.

[Khan Boyzitbig of Mercia]

If their stats are above a certain threshold (and I'm pretty certain most f not all Shinobi are) they will not join you. There are exceptions to that rule though.

[bunny de fluff]

You cannot recruit them in vanilla game.

[Slutski]

Originally posted by bunny de fluff:

You cannot recruit them in vanilla game.

Kinda sad. I think I remember even one of the desert ninjas joining me after beeing freed. Regarding Shinobi guards, I recall one of them stranding in the desert running at me, thanking for being freed. Upon asking to join, they began to talk about having family and being unable to. There also was a dialogue option with something like "But you really want to help me, right?" after trying to recruit them or something like that. Dunno if that would work, probably not.

[Zee_]

It comes down to stats, if a single combat stat is above 25 or if the total of their combined combat stats are 75 or more, they won't join.

Also a couple of the personality types will prevent them from joining, but I can't remember which ones.

There are mods that remove these restrictions or add alternate ways to recruit new characters.

[Slutski]

Originally posted by Zee_:

It comes down to stats, if a single combat stat is above 25 or if the total of their combined combat stats are 75 or more, they won't join.

Also a couple of the personality types will prevent them from joining, but I can't remember which ones.

There are mods that remove these restrictions or add alternate ways to recruit new characters.

I remember about some of the personalities, but didn't know combined stats did matter. Would make sense, their stats are tanking

[Shidan]

Originally posted by Zee_:

It comes down to stats, if a single combat stat is above 25 or if the total of their combined combat stats are 75 or more, they won't join.

Also a couple of the personality types will prevent them from joining, but I can't remember which ones.

There are mods that remove these restrictions or add alternate ways to recruit new characters.

As a note, this isn't quite correct. I used to think it was too, but recent testing I've done has proven differently.

The actual check compares a trio of stats, an attribute, an offense skill, and a defense skill, with each of the trio having two possible options.

The actual check as far as we can tell is this:
(Strength or Dexterity) + (Melee Attack or Martial Arts) + (Melee Defense or Dodge) must equal less than 75.

It will determine which skill to use in each set based on which is highest. So for example if you have a 30 Strength, and a 28 Dexterity, it will use Strength and ignore the Dexterity levels.

There is also no check at 25, that was just a misconception due to the fact that if all three stats are 25 or lower it's mathematically impossible for any trio of them to go over 75.

[Zee_]

That makes more sense than the old info on stats and recruitment, I have to add it to my old list of notes for future playthroughs.

Also explains how I've gotten a few random recruits with decent stats over the years, like characters with one skill in the 30s or 40s but with garbage for other stats. I always chalked those up to random glitches.

[Slutski]

If there are still people who care, I managed to get a Shinobi to join me. Met them after month of begin freed. Asked if they wanted to join me, they agreed. 18 in str, 52 dex, 30 in combat stats and 40 in def. Not exactly sure how this system works or if I got a jackpot.

[Shidan]

Where did you get the specific ninja who joined? What method did you use to recruit them? And what did their dialog say?

Would all go a long way to tracking down how it happened. :)

[Slutski]

Originally posted by Shidan:

Where did you get the specific ninja who joined? What method did you use to recruit them? And what did their dialog say?

Would all go a long way to tracking down how it happened. :)

As ♥♥♥♥ hit the fan in Heft, there were massive crowds of thieves, tech hunters and such leaving the city as slaves, following slavers. obviously. I decided to try to free them all expecting somebody to join. Nobody did, for the reasons above.

The thing is, sometimes "ex-slaves" you freed meet you in the random and ask if you need anything. You get different dialogue options, like asking for money, hiring them for temporary protection or even joining your squad. Same thing happened to me when I freed a tech hunter in the cannibal village, meeting them later just to join me with their monstrous stats, that was unexpected.
The ninja was casually standing next to the Shinobi den in Heft, same dialogue as above, telling me how they wanna help me and how they want to repay the debt. Even tho the previous ninja I met declined, this one sounded way more enthusiastic.

[Shidan]

Originally posted by Slutski:

Originally posted by Shidan:

Where did you get the specific ninja who joined? What method did you use to recruit them? And what did their dialog say?

Would all go a long way to tracking down how it happened. :)

As ♥♥♥♥ hit the fan in Heft, there were massive crowds of thieves, tech hunters and such leaving the city as slaves, following slavers. obviously. I decided to try to free them all expecting somebody to join. Nobody did, for the reasons above.

The thing is, sometimes "ex-slaves" you freed meet you in the random and ask if you need anything. You get different dialogue options, like asking for money, hiring them for temporary protection or even joining your squad. Same thing happened to me when I freed a tech hunter in the cannibal village, meeting them later just to join me with their monstrous stats, that was unexpected.
The ninja was casually standing next to the Shinobi den in Heft, same dialogue as above, telling me how they wanna help me and how they want to repay the debt. Even tho the previous ninja I met declined, this one sounded way more enthusiastic.

Looks like it's one of the rare exceptions to the stats rule.
Conditions for recruiting them when their stats are too high are as follows:

1. You have to have "saved their life" before, typically through freeing them from a cage.
   
2. They must have a Brave personality.
   
3. Must not be heavily injured.
   
4. Must have the "Npc TOUGH Merc Basic 1" dialog package which is typical on independent characters, such as ninjas, mercenaries, thugs, rebels, etc.

With those conditions met they can join you, though it's still somewhat random. And the dialog has a 1 week cooldown, even if they don't join you.