God, I hate Western Hive now.

[Loot]

Got hit with a massive raid lead by Seta. The warning popped up, I knocked out my training partner and went to get ready. Western Hive shows up to the town that I built right behind and lays waste to the whole place. There are bodies everywhere. There are over 60 of these MFs killing all the guards. Seta shows up in the next minute. I had a 1 minute warning. Lol

My outpost has no proper defenses, due to the guards being strong enough to kill anything that comes at me, with my help. Unfortunately, the guards are all knocked TF out because of Western Hive. 20 Chosen, 30 Sentinels, 30 Paladins, 10 High Paladins, 10 Inquisitors (not sure of exact numbers, I just know there are bodies littered through the entire town. Everything is red. I think I lowballed it, honestly) walk through town, towards my base. I'm losing my ♥♥♥♥ because my character is already low HP from the Inquisitor I was training on.

I start beating as many unconscious as I can. Unfortunately, they're all being healed faster than I can take them out. I see some guards show up and rejoice, only for the Hivers to come back and decimate them. I start to feel dejected as I realize I'm kinda doomed. No back-up saves, due to me not knowing there was a war in the town. (Yes, I'm a filthy scummer.) All the shopkeepers are dead, my base is defenseless and the HN is minutes away from beating my gate down.

All of a sudden, half their force splits off. They've started fighting the Hivers. Lmao
I hate the buggers, due to them getting me into the mess, but at least they got me out of it. I now have 10 Inquisitor training dummies to choose from. Unfortunately, I lost my bull, Yellowy in the carnage. I'm disappointed all the shopkeepers are dead, but I have too many captured Inquisitors to import. :|

[Morkonan]

"Western Hive?" Are you sure? Did you do anything to the Queen? How close is your base to a Western Hive village?

It may just be that you aggro'd them with missile fire/other. But, they shouldn't be raiding you unless you did something to their Queen. And, if you accidentally aggro'd them by attacking or they were attacked/following the HN raid force and ended up getting caught in the scrum.

It could be that you established your base so very close to them that the ownership of a building/something flipped and that caused a reaction. Check your buildings to see exactly who is shown as owning them. You can create mod to move them far enough away that they don't get claimed using the Forgotten Construction Set. Do not mod the base game file... check a modding guide to be sure you do it right. :) (Moving it using the psuedo modding tool may not work or could just cause further issues as your saved game stores all that stuff.)

What's your unit/character count? Average combat stats for your fighters?

[Loot]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Morkonan:

"Western Hive?" Are you sure? Did you do anything to the Queen? How close is your base to a Western Hive village?

It may just be that you aggro'd them with missile fire/other. But, they shouldn't be raiding you unless you did something to their Queen. And, if you accidentally aggro'd them by attacking or they were attacked/following the HN raid force and ended up getting caught in the scrum.

It could be that you established your base so very close to them that the ownership of a building/something flipped and that caused a reaction. Check your buildings to see exactly who is shown as owning them. You can create mod to move them far enough away that they don't get claimed using the Forgotten Construction Set. Do not mod the base game file... check a modding guide to be sure you do it right. :) (Moving it using the psuedo modding tool may not work or could just cause further issues as your saved game stores all that stuff.)

What's your unit/character count? Average combat stats for your fighters?

No, what happened is they aggroed on the town guards that I was relying on to defend my base, due to proximity to my outpost. :P

[Khan Boyzitbig of Mercia]

If a lone caravan wiped the town guard then that raid would have too.

[Loot]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Khan Boyzitbig of Mercia:

If a lone caravan wiped the town guard then that raid would have too.

Lone caravan of 100 Soldier Drones. Lol
Pretty sure there was more than one.

[Shidan]

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Opprinnelig skrevet av Khan Boyzitbig of Mercia:

If a lone caravan wiped the town guard then that raid would have too.

Lone caravan of 100 Soldier Drones. Lol
Pretty sure there was more than one.

The amount you're talking about is practically impossible to be caravans though, at least in vanilla.

Either you've been tweaking population settings (even then that would be really low odds of happening), have a mod changing the caravans, or it wasn't a caravan.

Besides, if 60-100 hive soldiers wiped the town, now way could it have handled 10 inquisitors, 10 High Paladins, 30 Paladins, and 30 Sentinels. That town was screwed anyway. :P

[Loot]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Shidan:

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Lone caravan of 100 Soldier Drones. Lol
Pretty sure there was more than one.

The amount you're talking about is practically impossible to be caravans though, at least in vanilla.

Either you've been tweaking population settings (even then that would be really low odds of happening), have a mod changing the caravans, or it wasn't a caravan.

Besides, if 60-100 hive soldiers wiped the town, now way could it have handled 10 inquisitors, 10 High Paladins, 30 Paladins, and 30 Sentinels. That town was screwed anyway. :P

I always did the majority of the work. Character had high 80s for stats. It just helped that they'd take aggro. And yeah, I've got squad size / number of squads cranked. I think something fishy was going on, though. They fought for a long time and I think more just kept coming in. Lol

Edit: Oh, I also have the Faction Caravans mod.

[Ghin]

Kinda curious how you even got hivers to attack you

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Opprinnelig skrevet av Ghin:

Kinda curious how you even got hivers to attack you

That's the thing. They didn't attack me. I built my base in a way that would-be-attackers are routed through a town to get me. It was very effective and I was able to smash every raid that came at me with the help of the guards. Sadly, a number of Hiver Caravans got into it with the guards while I was training on a captured Inquisitor and I didn't realize until it was too late. I got a warning that a HN attack was incoming and it arrived within minutes of the announcement, while the Hivers were tearing the whole city apart. I didn't have any turrets set-up at my base yet and was relying on the guards, which would have done just fine against the Seta raid, with my help. At least the Hivers ended up fighting with the HN in the end, giving me breathing room to start killing them.

Unfortunately, I was forced to import a couple hours after the raid, losing my 10 captured Inquisitors, because my game started running out of vram every few minutes. I have a feeling it was an overhaul mod I made for The Hub that was causing it. I started a new character and turned off the mod and the game hasn't had any hiccups. It probably wasn't playing nice with Reactive World.

[Cuddle_Rat]

What town did you build behind to have raids against you filter through it?

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Opprinnelig skrevet av Cuddle_Rat:

What town did you build behind to have raids against you filter through it?

I modded The Hub and added Holy Nation Outlaw Ninja Guards, 2 barracks and another bar, as well as a Holy Nation Outlaw General Store. I saw a post that shows you can do the same thing at Mongrel, though, without any mods. I just don't like Mongrel because the fog doubles every time you load a save.

[Morkonan]

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Edit: Oh, I also have the Faction Caravans mod.

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That's probably why you now hate the Western Hive. Some interactions with that mod must have resulted in "problems." Check with the mod's threads/forums to see if this is standard behavior or a known issue.

[Cuddle_Rat]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Morkonan:

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Edit: Oh, I also have the Faction Caravans mod.

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That's probably why you now hate the Western Hive. Some interactions with that mod must have resulted in "problems." Check with the mod's threads/forums to see if this is standard behavior or a known issue.

I had to unsub from that particular mod before. I was enemies with the holy nation and was knocked out from a fight with paladins, then the modded caravan came along and picked me up but they never took my character anywhere. Just carried them around endlessly between their route. After about an in game week (thank Narko for travel rations) they finally ran into a pack of bonedogs they couldn't handle and I once again ran free.

[Loot]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Morkonan:

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Edit: Oh, I also have the Faction Caravans mod.

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That's probably why you now hate the Western Hive. Some interactions with that mod must have resulted in "problems." Check with the mod's threads/forums to see if this is standard behavior or a known issue.

I mean personally, in real life, because they annoyed the hell out of me with their shenanigans. Lol

[Locklave]

I have tried so many mods that had QoL features or things I felt suited the game. 95% of them do something stupid braking balance and forcing me to remove them. The following info is from my experience(s) in 2700+ hours of play.

This case is 100% a mod problem. My advice is before making a serious game with a new mod is load up a modded cheat start and have a look around the world quick to see if something insane is happening. It might not catch this kind of problem but it can screen other problems.

It sucks so bad finding a massive problem you could have caught 10+ hours into a play.

The absolute best mods, the mods that that really improve the game without side effects do laser focused changes on a single game element and include specific details of the changes along side their intended effect on the game. Lots of small focused mods are less likely to create a problem and if they do it's easier to determine which one(s) are creating the problem.

The larger the scope of a mod and the less specific detail in the mod should act as warning flag.

I don't envy the position the OP is in.

[Loot]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Locklave:

I have tried so many mods that had QoL features or things I felt suited the game. 95% of them do something stupid braking balance and forcing me to remove them. The following info is from my experience(s) in 2700+ hours of play.

This case is 100% a mod problem. My advice is before making a serious game with a new mod is load up a modded cheat start and have a look around the world quick to see if something insane is happening. It might not catch this kind of problem but it can screen other problems.

It sucks so bad finding a massive problem you could have caught 10+ hours into a play.

The absolute best mods, the mods that that really improve the game without side effects do laser focused changes on a single game element and include specific details of the changes along side their intended effect on the game. Lots of small focused mods are less likely to create a problem and if they do it's easier to determine which one(s) are creating the problem.

The larger the scope of a mod and the less specific detail in the mod should act as warning flag.

I don't envy the position the OP is in.

I ended up having to make a new character anyway. That save started crashing like mad and I'm pretty sure there was a conflict between a mod I made for The Hub and Reactive World. I was getting bored anyway. I went way to fast on that character. Had Hydroponics unlocked in 3 days and had almost every building in The Hub pumping out stuff. Then I built to close and that's when shenanigans started. cx