Martial artist help.

[Deuce Loosely]

I bought this game because I watched a youtube of this dude who trained one guy nonstop until he could hold his own against pretty big mobs. Thats pretty much what I wanted to do as well. I am trying to replicate the process and have ground pretty damn hard, and though his stats aren't yet comparable, they are significantly built up and still having like no luck at all.
He routinely gets dropped by more than 3 hungry bandits in heavy armor. Bigger stuff? Guess who has two splinted limbs and is hobbling Kill Bill style to the inn? This guy. Correct me if Im wrong, but at 50 STR, 40 END, 50 DEX, 45 in M.arts, 35 in dodge in mid range heavy armor I SHOULD be doing better. Right?
If not, how much more do I need to grind and is there any tips for speeding up the process?

Also, is there a nonviolent way to get rid of my bodyguard goat? He's making it harder to train but I dont want to reward his service by killing him.

[Old Soldier]

Alright, I haven't done much MA, nor played very long, nor have any insight to aide the OP with his issue.
So why comment then?
To say how impressed and pleased I am with the degree of useful and polite help offered by those who replied. No mocking or belittling, No sarcastic suggestions deliberately meant to be non-helpful (though presumably funny.) No smug "Lawl, git gud, n00b !"

Just straight forward helpful advice for a new player seeking help.

You are all rock stars as far as I am concerned.

[Kash]

Originally posted by Deuce Loosely:

I watched a youtube of this dude who trained one guy nonstop until he could hold his own against pretty big mobs.

What video?
Is it on YouTube?

[Deuce Loosely]

Originally posted by Old Soldier:

Alright, I haven't done much MA, nor played very long, nor have any insight to aide the OP with his issue.
So why comment then?
To say how impressed and pleased I am with the degree of useful and polite help offered by those who replied. No mocking or belittling, No sarcastic suggestions deliberately meant to be non-helpful (though presumably funny.) No smug "Lawl, git gud, n00b !"

Just straight forward helpful advice for a new player seeking help.

You are all rock stars as far as I am concerned.

Too right! Sometimes asking noob questions feels like painting a target on your back, I am very pleasantly surprised by the Kenshi community.

[Deuce Loosely]

Originally posted by Kash:

Originally posted by Deuce Loosely:

I watched a youtube of this dude who trained one guy nonstop until he could hold his own against pretty big mobs.

What video?
Is it on YouTube?

Be warned, at one point he uses the phrase 'get my s**t pushed in' like 500 times in a span of 20 minutes. It gets kinda uncomfortable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7V26zprMKc8&list=PLXFIaWk23rSwrRvkrV4JBWztAXI8BPlD5

[Armchair Civilian]

Good old AA - his Kenshi series crack me up :)
Note how he uses a weapon to bolster himself until he's tough enough for MA to be feasible - cos otherwise "get my siht pushed in" is a constant description, not a term of offense.
i have started doing runs with fewer, more elite peeps where i combine MA with crappy xbows to help push up dexterity and pad out damage at low levels.

[Deuce Loosely]

Originally posted by Armchair Skeeverilian:

Good old AA - his Kenshi series crack me up :)
Note how he uses a weapon to bolster himself until he's tough enough for MA to be feasible - cos otherwise "get my siht pushed in" is a constant description, not a term of offense.
i have started doing runs with fewer, more elite peeps where i combine MA with crappy xbows to help push up dexterity and pad out damage at low levels.

Im not squeamish about this sort of thing, it's that it gets said A LOT. Like more than 'huh, that's weird" to the point where you find yourself saying out loud to someone who cant hear you "please stop saying that". Lol

[Derek Withers]

As long as your Martial Artist is part of a group, I think you are playing it fine, A martial artist is absolutely terrible in a fight wearing samurai armour but they will level up MA really quickly. If you can just put up with it for a while they will turn into end game monsters.

I reckon if you started a game with 4 swordsman and 1 martial artist wearing samurai armour, the MA would be level 60 by the time the sword guys are level 50.

[Snappedfir]

Originally posted by Deuce Loosely:

I bought this game because I watched a youtube of this dude who trained one guy nonstop until he could hold his own against pretty big mobs. Thats pretty much what I wanted to do as well. I am trying to replicate the process and have ground pretty damn hard, and though his stats aren't yet comparable, they are significantly built up and still having like no luck at all.
He routinely gets dropped by more than 3 hungry bandits in heavy armor. Bigger stuff? Guess who has two splinted limbs and is hobbling Kill Bill style to the inn? This guy. Correct me if Im wrong, but at 50 STR, 40 END, 50 DEX, 45 in M.arts, 35 in dodge in mid range heavy armor I SHOULD be doing better. Right?
If not, how much more do I need to grind and is there any tips for speeding up the process?

Also, is there a nonviolent way to get rid of my bodyguard goat? He's making it harder to train but I dont want to reward his service by killing him.

You say in heavy armor right? I'd recommend against using really any armor when doing martial arts as most have heavy debuffs towards MA stats and dodge skill.

[di eshor ribly]

Originally posted by Snappedfir:

Originally posted by Deuce Loosely:

I bought this game because I watched a youtube of this dude who trained one guy nonstop until he could hold his own against pretty big mobs. Thats pretty much what I wanted to do as well. I am trying to replicate the process and have ground pretty damn hard, and though his stats aren't yet comparable, they are significantly built up and still having like no luck at all.
He routinely gets dropped by more than 3 hungry bandits in heavy armor. Bigger stuff? Guess who has two splinted limbs and is hobbling Kill Bill style to the inn? This guy. Correct me if Im wrong, but at 50 STR, 40 END, 50 DEX, 45 in M.arts, 35 in dodge in mid range heavy armor I SHOULD be doing better. Right?
If not, how much more do I need to grind and is there any tips for speeding up the process?

Also, is there a nonviolent way to get rid of my bodyguard goat? He's making it harder to train but I dont want to reward his service by killing him.

You say in heavy armor right? I'd recommend against using really any armor when doing martial arts as most have heavy debuffs towards MA stats and dodge skill.

That's the way training works though, you want your character at a disadvantage so they earn xp faster. You put on the hand wraps and assassin gear after you reach a high enough level to not break your arm punching another guy in samurai plate.

[JediKnightSky]

others have mentioned most of the mods. If looking for good gear, there is one that adds daggers and other things like claws that go in the belt slot that buff MA and give fist protection. Also some of the cyber suit mods are really nice for the MA.

Current play through my main was the 1 armed with nothing start. Got a decent cyber limb and went MA early with no complaints. It wont make you the toughest fastest, but can sure be handy especially if dealing with guards who want bribes to let you keep weapons( may be a mod I use lol not sure if that is vanilla guard behavior anywhere)

[Ghin]

The way AA does the leveling in that video is really sub-optimal, by his own later admission in future videos.

Here's a quick outline/summary for leveling up Saitama. I'm going to assume you dont give af about spoilers if you watched AA's videos.

1. Run straight to Squin and buy a wooden backpack.

2. Run north to Vain and start stealing Beak Thing eggs. This is probably going to get you murdered if you have no experience doing it. You can stealth past Beak Things pretty easily if its dark, even with 0 sneak. I would try training stealth by walking around a hiver village until it gets dark if you've never stolen eggs before.

3. Use your fortune to swim out to the Armour King and buy the highest quality Samurai armor pieces. This is gonna cost you quite a bit. Masterwork Samurai Armor is about 32k, legplates are about 16k, helmet is about 10k. Boots aren't really necessary, or even wearable by certain races. Use wooden sandals so you run faster. For a shirt it doesn't really matter either.

4. Run to Skinner's Roam and find a giant group of Hungry Bandits to beat you senseless aka train your toughness. You probably want a sleeping bag and other first aid stuff so you don't accidentally die. Remember to press sneak before you get up so you have time to heal yourself or escape. Repeat until Toughness is trained.

5. Run to Howler Maze and find a giant group of small crabs. Punch them for a few days until your Martial Arts is trained. This will also level your Dexterity and Strength to some extent.

6. Punch someone so hard they fly a football field away.

[Locklave]

3 Vanilla unmodded hungry bandits can't take down a MA user with those stats regardless of gear. Being hyperbolic isn't helpful. There is no way you started that fight at full health if it happened at all.

MA is designed around light or no armor, some light armor and clothing increases MA skill. Heavy armor literally has negatives skill to MA, it also greatly reduces dodge and combat speed which is critical to someone without weapon reach. I would strongly suggest you read the actual stats on armor.

Even Masterwork armor has massive negatives to MA

-Martial arts bonus -10
-Dodge skill effect 0.60x
-Attack damage effect 0.85x
-Combat speed effect 0.94x

These negative are compounded with other gear with negatives. Anything that lowers Dex also has a massive effect. Stack more negatives on even just the chest and you are crippling yourself and gaining nothing.

Sleeveless Dustcoat, is for MA

-Dodge skill effect 1.10x
-Attack damage effect 1.05x
-Martial arts bonus +6

Assassin Rags and Ninja Rags also give similar bonuses and even increase Dex.

Martial Artist Bindings, shirt layer of clothing

-Attack damage effect 1.05x
-Fist protection 70%
-Martial arts bonus +4

Gi and Gi Pants

-Martial arts bonus +2

https://kenshi.fandom.com/wiki/Martial_Arts
Scroll down to Combat Techniques and see the impact on even the types of attacks you are being prevented from using because of the skill negatives. Not even taking into account the basic damage loss from overall skill.

[Deuce Loosely]

Originally posted by Locklave:

3 Vanilla unmodded hungry bandits can't take down a MA user with those stats regardless of gear. Being hyperbolic isn't helpful. There is no way you started that fight at full health if it happened at all.

Not hyperbole. Maybe you DON"T know everything up to and including things you couldn't possibly know, Thanks for calling me a liar over a video game so you could feel like a big shot though. Real helpful. Took a while but there's always one.

[Hatsune Neko Gaming]

please be polite and constructive when posting in the forum.
Critique the game, not each other.

[Kash]

Originally posted by Ghin:

The way AA does the leveling in that video is really sub-optimal, by his own later admission in future videos.

Here's a quick outline/summary for leveling up Saitama. I'm going to assume you dont give af about spoilers if you watched AA's videos.

1. Run straight to Squin and buy a wooden backpack.

2. Run north to Vain and start stealing Beak Thing eggs. This is probably going to get you murdered if you have no experience doing it. You can stealth past Beak Things pretty easily if its dark, even with 0 sneak. I would try training stealth by walking around a hiver village until it gets dark if you've never stolen eggs before.

3. Use your fortune to swim out to the Armour King and buy the highest quality Samurai armor pieces. This is gonna cost you quite a bit. Masterwork Samurai Armor is about 32k, legplates are about 16k, helmet is about 10k. Boots aren't really necessary, or even wearable by certain races. Use wooden sandals so you run faster. For a shirt it doesn't really matter either.

4. Run to Skinner's Roam and find a giant group of Hungry Bandits to beat you senseless aka train your toughness. You probably want a sleeping bag and other first aid stuff so you don't accidentally die. Remember to press sneak before you get up so you have time to heal yourself or escape. Repeat until Toughness is trained.

5. Run to Howler Maze and find a giant group of small crabs. Punch them for a few days until your Martial Arts is trained. This will also level your Dexterity and Strength to some extent.

6. Punch someone so hard they fly a football field away.

Thanks for the advice.
Know only step 1 and 2, the rest are new to me.