Weapon Strength Requirements?

[Sinkitsune]

I was watching a video and the guy talked about requiring like 80 strenght to use a weapon properly.

So I was wondering to myself (is that why my character using a Matioa tier Nodatchi getting fugged?)

So I wanted to ask here since i can't find a damn thing about it on the wiki, what weapons need specific stats to wield correctly and not be nerfed?

[Shidan]

All weapons have a strength requirement to avoid penalties. This requirement is equal to the blunt damage of the weapon multiplied by 40.

In the cases where this total equals less than the weight of the weapon, the requirement will be equal to the unmodified weight of the weapon (most of the time when this happens, there are no modifiers to weapon weight, so it will just be the weight of the weapon).

The wiki does have the required strength level listed for all weapons. They are on each specific model's entry on the page. So like you can see here, the Meitou Nodachi require 8 strength.

https://kenshi.fandom.com/wiki/Nodachi

[Plav]

Originally posted by Shidan:

All weapons have a strength requirement to avoid penalties. This requirement is equal to the blunt damage of the weapon multiplied by 40.

In the cases where this total equals less than the weight of the weapon, the requirement will be equal to the unmodified weight of the weapon (most of the time when this happens, there are no modifiers to weapon weight, so it will just be the weight of the weapon).

The wiki does have the required strength level listed for all weapons. They are on each specific model's entry on the page. So like you can see here, the Meitou Nodachi require 8 strength.

https://kenshi.fandom.com/wiki/Nodachi

I'm not OP but this helped me a lot. I had a similar question about Fragment Axes. The wiki states:

Edgewalker and above variants of the weapon are so absurdly heavy that it is impossible for an unaugmented mortal to wield them without penalties.

And a home made Edge 2 Fragment Axe requires 108 strength. What is the max strength stat, is it 100? What does the wiki mean "unagumented mortal", are they refering to skeleton limbs? Is the only way to push past 100 strength is using skeleton limbs?

[Sinkitsune]

Originally posted by Shidan:

All weapons have a strength requirement to avoid penalties. This requirement is equal to the blunt damage of the weapon multiplied by 40.

In the cases where this total equals less than the weight of the weapon, the requirement will be equal to the unmodified weight of the weapon (most of the time when this happens, there are no modifiers to weapon weight, so it will just be the weight of the weapon).

The wiki does have the required strength level listed for all weapons. They are on each specific model's entry on the page. So like you can see here, the Meitou Nodachi require 8 strength.

https://kenshi.fandom.com/wiki/Nodachi

good lord, how much is that gonna be for Nodatchi Matiou?

[Sinkitsune]

Originally posted by ( ° ͜ʖ͡°) ∩:

Originally posted by Shidan:

All weapons have a strength requirement to avoid penalties. This requirement is equal to the blunt damage of the weapon multiplied by 40.

In the cases where this total equals less than the weight of the weapon, the requirement will be equal to the unmodified weight of the weapon (most of the time when this happens, there are no modifiers to weapon weight, so it will just be the weight of the weapon).

The wiki does have the required strength level listed for all weapons. They are on each specific model's entry on the page. So like you can see here, the Meitou Nodachi require 8 strength.

https://kenshi.fandom.com/wiki/Nodachi

I'm not OP but this helped me a lot. I had a similar question about Fragment Axes. The wiki states:

Edgewalker and above variants of the weapon are so absurdly heavy that it is impossible for an unaugmented mortal to wield them without penalties.

And a home made Edge 2 Fragment Axe requires 108 strength. What is the max strength stat, is it 100? What does the wiki mean "unagumented mortal", are they refering to skeleton limbs? Is the only way to push past 100 strength is using skeleton limbs?

Likely need the skeleton limbs for those since they do say "Skeletons use these weps"

[Shidan]

Originally posted by ( ° ͜ʖ͡°) ∩:

I'm not OP but this helped me a lot. I had a similar question about Fragment Axes. The wiki states:

Edgewalker and above variants of the weapon are so absurdly heavy that it is impossible for an unaugmented mortal to wield them without penalties.

And a home made Edge 2 Fragment Axe requires 108 strength. What is the max strength stat, is it 100? What does the wiki mean "unagumented mortal", are they refering to skeleton limbs? Is the only way to push past 100 strength is using skeleton limbs?

100 is indeed the max strength normally. And yes, that line is referencing skeleton limbs, as it is impossible to effectively wield the higher tier Fragment Axes without strength enhancing limbs.

Even if you have 100 strength and the best limbs, you only barely get past the requirement for the highest level Fragment Axe.

[Plav]

Originally posted by Shidan:

Originally posted by ( ° ͜ʖ͡°) ∩:

I'm not OP but this helped me a lot. I had a similar question about Fragment Axes. The wiki states:

Edgewalker and above variants of the weapon are so absurdly heavy that it is impossible for an unaugmented mortal to wield them without penalties.

And a home made Edge 2 Fragment Axe requires 108 strength. What is the max strength stat, is it 100? What does the wiki mean "unagumented mortal", are they refering to skeleton limbs? Is the only way to push past 100 strength is using skeleton limbs?

100 is indeed the max strength normally. And yes, that line is referencing skeleton limbs, as it is impossible to effectively wield the higher tier Fragment Axes without strength enhancing limbs.

Even if you have 100 strength and the best limbs, you only barely get past the requirement for the highest level Fragment Axe.

This is awesome
New goal unlocked }:)

[Sinkitsune]

Originally posted by Shidan:

Originally posted by ( ° ͜ʖ͡°) ∩:

I'm not OP but this helped me a lot. I had a similar question about Fragment Axes. The wiki states:

Edgewalker and above variants of the weapon are so absurdly heavy that it is impossible for an unaugmented mortal to wield them without penalties.

And a home made Edge 2 Fragment Axe requires 108 strength. What is the max strength stat, is it 100? What does the wiki mean "unagumented mortal", are they refering to skeleton limbs? Is the only way to push past 100 strength is using skeleton limbs?

100 is indeed the max strength normally. And yes, that line is referencing skeleton limbs, as it is impossible to effectively wield the higher tier Fragment Axes without strength enhancing limbs.

Even if you have 100 strength and the best limbs, you only barely get past the requirement for the highest level Fragment Axe.

so is it 80 for Nodatchi higher tier? its like 2.80 dps

[Shidan]

Originally posted by Sinkitsune:

Originally posted by Shidan:

100 is indeed the max strength normally. And yes, that line is referencing skeleton limbs, as it is impossible to effectively wield the higher tier Fragment Axes without strength enhancing limbs.

Even if you have 100 strength and the best limbs, you only barely get past the requirement for the highest level Fragment Axe.

so is it 80 for Nodatchi higher tier? its like 2.80 dps

Only blunt damage matters. In vanilla a Nodachi has no blunt damage, so the requirement should equal its weight for most models. Which in vanilla is 8, so not a very high requirement.

[ephemeraltoast]

Originally posted by Sinkitsune:

so is it 80 for Nodatchi higher tier? its like 2.80 dps

The Nodachi is a cutting weapon. It does not do any blunt damage, so even the strongest Nodachi (the Meitou) only has a pittance for a Strength requirement, as Shidan noted it's 8. Not 80. All katanas do cutting damage only so this weapon class will have the lowest Strength requirements of all weapons. The weapons that have the really crazy Strength requirements are all Heavy or Blunt-class weapons that do lots of blunt damage, like the Jitte or the Fragment Axe.

So if you're struggling to use a Meitou Nodachi, the problem isn't your Strength, it's something else. Maybe your character does not have high enough Melee Attack and Melee Defense skill. Or maybe you are just noticing a main feature of katanas, which is that they are very focused on offense at the expense of defense; in particular, they have a 2-hit attack combo that can make for very high damage against a single foe but it leaves you wide open to being countered if you are taking on a whole group of enemies. Most of them also debuff your Melee Defense skill. A katana is a glass cannon weapon, basically.

[Sinkitsune]

Originally posted by ephemeraltoast:

Originally posted by Sinkitsune:

so is it 80 for Nodatchi higher tier? its like 2.80 dps

The Nodachi is a cutting weapon. It does not do any blunt damage, so even the strongest Nodachi (the Meitou) only has a pittance for a Strength requirement, as Shidan noted it's 8. Not 80. All katanas do cutting damage only so this weapon class will have the lowest Strength requirements of all weapons. The weapons that have the really crazy Strength requirements are all Heavy or Blunt-class weapons that do lots of blunt damage, like the Jitte or the Fragment Axe.

So if you're struggling to use a Meitou Nodachi, the problem isn't your Strength, it's something else. Maybe your character does not have high enough Melee Attack and Melee Defense skill. Or maybe you are just noticing a main feature of katanas, which is that they are very focused on offense at the expense of defense; in particular, they have a 2-hit attack combo that can make for very high damage against a single foe but it leaves you wide open to being countered if you are taking on a whole group of enemies. Most of them also debuff your Melee Defense skill. A katana is a glass cannon weapon, basically.

ah thanks, glad this was settled before i went on