Why can Skeletons and Hives wear chest armor, but no shirts?

[Bragdras]

It's already bad enough that Hives have weak max HP and soldiers can't have helms (hello one-hit-kills from meitou weapons..) but why can't they wear shirts if they can wear chest armor? I can somewhat understand why neither Skeletons nor Hives can wear footwear, but no shirt? Why? Is this going to be another pseudo-realism comparison "well the armor is loose and the shirt is tight so they'd rip it" ?

And on a different note, it'd be nice if we could loot robotic limbs off of Skeletons, and if Skeletons could freely take off and replace their limbs, so for example a Skeleton could just take their right arm off and hand it over to someone who just lost their limb etc.

[rompier02]

That would be kool. The part where Skeletons could exchange better limbs with their existing ones.

[oi__io]

Originally posted by Bragdras:

Is this going to be another pseudo-realism comparison "well the armor is loose and the shirt is tight so they'd rip it" ?

If you look closely, not only the shirt are tight but it appears as if it's painted on top of the body of the humans wearing it.

Technically it is painted on the human body. The shirt is just a texture mask painted on top of human/Shek body 3D mesh. Greenlander/Scorchlander and Shek share similar body type (and UV for the model is also similar) so the shirt texture works for all of them without any modification.

Considering the Skeleton and Hives body not only looks different to human/Shek but also the UV for the model is unwrapped differently the shirt as it is now will not work on their body. You can try looking at the texture files in the game folder to take a look at them to see what I mean.

In order to allow Skeletons/Hives to wear the shirt in the same manner as human/Shek, the dev will have to create a different set of shirt specifically for each of them. Currently there is only two textures (one for diffuse and one for normal) necessary for each shirt variant for everyone that can wear them, but what you're asking for will triple it.

As far as I know it's not as easy as creating a texture for it otherwise modders like myself will probably have done it. The shirt slot is different from any other slot. It's special like that.

Regarding the chest armor, it's different. Those aren't a mask texture painted on the body like shirt slot but they're separate 3D mesh model so that's why some kinda fit for all. Not really since most Skeleton hardly fit in them but you know what I mean right?

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TL;DR: current in game shirt wouldn't fit Skeleton/Hives body but not because of lore or realism. It's technical. Not necessarily hard for the dev to fix but they probably have their own reason for not doing it (yet). Maybe they'll do it later or maybe not. Maybe that's how it's intended to be. Who knows.

[Bragdras]

I wasn't talking about a texture on a model, I was talking literally, hence the bit about realism . . .

[Howls@TheMoon]

I have skeletons that can replace there limbs! But like everyone else they have to lose them first, and you can't just climb on a fog man pole and have someone first aid you. Fight stuff that does limb damage :)

[oi__io]

Originally posted by Bragdras:

I wasn't talking about a texture on a model, I was talking literally, hence the bit about realism . . .

Umm...did you even read what I wrote above?

In case you don't want to read what I wrote, in short: they can't wear shirts because shirts for human/Shek doesn't fit them.

The shirt slot as it is right now doesn't support Hives and Skeletons. I explained the technicality behind why it doesn't support it and how it can be solved. It's a hassle and I totally understand if the dev decided not to do so.


EDITED TO ADD:
I just tested it in game to see what will happen if the Hives and Skeleton wear shirts designed for human/Shek. The result is pretty interesting.

Turns out my previous comment is not totally accurate. Yes, the Hives and Skeleton cannot wear shirts designed for human/Shek and yes it still doesn't fit them. But it is possible to make shirts for the Hives. They have solid humanoid body so it is not that hard to do it. It is indeed possible to make a mod for Hives to wear shirts if the dev refuse to add it in.

The Skeletons on the other hand is a different story. Due to the model of the main body and upper arms of the Skeleton, shirts wouldn't appear right on them. If the Skeletons wear shirts, it will appear as if they're wearing stickers on their bony skeletons. It doesn't look like shirt at all. LOL

And the solution for the Hives? Just a simple texture job because like I said in previous comment, the shirt is just a texture slapped on top of the 3D model.

[Ablackman]

I'm super interested about this, I just started a Hive, not the prince or the solider, the one in the middle with 125 health. The shirt area is yellow as if it can equip a shirt. Sure enough, found a shirt, cant equip it though. Any thoughts if there are updates?

[Drift]

Any question about "Why can't you do X in Kenshi?" can basically be answered like this:
Because Ogre3d.

This game may have just recently gotten popular but you can assume cavemen were the beta testers.

Also, Hivers can wear shirts, they are hive-specific shirts usually sold by hive merchants or looted from hiver corpses.

[Bedelguese]

Originally posted by Ablackman:

I'm super interested about this, I just started a Hive, not the prince or the solider, the one in the middle with 125 health. The shirt area is yellow as if it can equip a shirt. Sure enough, found a shirt, cant equip it though. Any thoughts if there are updates?

Don't necro year old threads please, you can get specific shirts for hivers, even make some. You can get them from the Western Hive in Vain, you can also buy some of the blueprints at the library in Blackscratch.

[SmallGespenst]

the answer to the question, by the way is that they're the wrong shape, hives are too thin and lankey so they have to make their own shirts or they just slip off their shoulders and tangle up their arms. skeletons just too bulky in a bunch of directions, for armour which will basically get assembled on the person these problems can be worked around (mostly by adjusting a multitude of straps probably) but that's not really an option for shirts.
(also the reason that hives have special shirts and skeletons don't is that skeletons are rare enough that there isn't really a real market for them, and skeletons are too depressed to invent them themselves)

[Locklave]

Necro thread with out of date info, very helpful...