HN obliterating deadcat ?

[ᗜˬᗜ Crossek ᗜˬᗜ]

i just entered deadcat - but everyone here is being slaughtered by holy nation - is that normal ?

[nex]

hmm.. deadcat is supposed to be the cannibal capital.. never seen any HN around except maybe in a cage.. do you mean the fishing village?

[ᗜˬᗜ Crossek ᗜˬᗜ]

i mean deadcat faction living in fishing village on nortern coast

[nex]

i think the HN always used to be hostile toward them.. in past versions wandering paladins attacked the town.. not sure why though..

[warhammer55]

they are attacked because of their friendship with flotsam, i think

[ᗜˬᗜ Crossek ᗜˬᗜ]

Originally posted by warhammer55:

they are attacked because of their friendship with flotsam, i think

i think you might be right because flotsam is patrolling this teritory as well and i often see fights deadcat+flotsam vs HN

[Zee_]

Yes, this is normal for the past few builds.

The Holy Nation has always been aggressive toward the Deadcat faction, what changed is a few updates ago the HN territory was changed so it goes all the way north to the coast, so now wandering HN patrols are in the area where there were none in the past. It used to be just cannibals and small Tech Hunter patrols duking it out in the area.

Anymore I actively try to avoid going to the deadcat fishing villiage or abandoned villiage just to try and save the people from getting slaughtered by HN paladins.

[kaiyl_kariashi]

Deadcat was the first of the large Empires to form after the Fall.

They used to own basically everything except for a few chunks here and there owned by other races or the Imperial Lords (a group claiming to be the rightful rulers of Kenshi from the old empire).

Holy Nation splittered off when their Okran belief radicalized and they discovered a cache of Advanced Tech that gave them enough strength push back against Deadcat.

Some other factions saw Deadcat being weakened and made an allaince with the Imperial Lords, and split off into the United Cities.

They were still pretty strong though until HN decided to destroy the Hub, which hindered Deadcat's ability to support it's western regional capital which eventually fell to cannibals, and also resulted in Clownsteady and Drifter's Last defecting to United Cities.

The main Deadcat strongholds remaining are down in the South East portion of the map, with only handful of small villages still loyal to them in other places.


Holy Nation attacks them because they're still at war with them.

[nex]

fascinating.. always enjoy learning more kenshi lore..

[Erei]

Originally posted by kaiyl_kariashi:

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You just made that up entirely. Most of the Deadcat lore is unknown, we just know they used to own the current cannibal territory, and apparently lost the fight against them when they invaded from Darkfinger. Also, they used to be called "rebel descendant", but that doesn't mean much, and we don't know if that is still relevant or if it was only during their development.

The HN is anti skeleton, and anti tech in general, since, you know, Kenshi tech is related to Skeleton. They would rather die than use a cache of tech. They don't use advanced prostethic (and will kill you if you use it), they consider tech books illegal and have a fortress next to an old ruin to prevent access to it. Of all the people in Kenshi, they are the less likely to even go close to a pile of tech. As to ally themselves with the so called "tainted beast" ?

Also, they have been around during the 2nd Empire, at the very least. And there is no established religion with a head of religion or anything. For all we know, the rest of Kenshi's Okran religion is the splinter from HN beliefs.

You can read more about the United Cities here : https://lofigames.com/lore-of-kenshi-4-swampers-united-cities/
Nowhere it says anything about the Imperial Lord or whatever.

As for the Hub, it was HN, and they lost it when the Shek attacked, and destroy it. Outlaws and whatnot have invaded since them. THe last time they went there, the squad was picked off one by one, they thought it was haunted/tainted, and left in a hurry, never to come back (there is a missive about it in the FCS, not sure where to find it ingame).

Deadcat doesn't own villages ion the SE, AFAIK, they own villages in the west coast, and north coast. Plus the lost territory NW, which used to be their.

And finally, so far, nobody claim to be the old empire (which one ? The first or second ?). Not even the HN, which existed by then, claim to be the proper ruler of Kenshi.


So yeah, you made that up. If not, I'd love to see the link to the lore of it.

If you want to make your own fanfiction, there is a subforum for it, please use it. People can get confused otherwise.

[Erei]

As for the topic itself, it was reported a few months back. I suspect it's not intended, deadcat territory is very far from HN. It is most likely due to how they improved the various faction related warfare. Since HN is the enemy of Flotsam, they most likely "spill" into deadcat territory.

I find it unlikely they'd attack deadcat. Most of its inhabitants are human, and they are far away in a dangerous land. They are also involved in several defensive front, against the fogmen west, shek south, UC east, and flotsam north. They also lost ground (hub, and the area east of it). So I doubt they'd want to fight all the way there.

[kaiyl_kariashi]

There is basically no conjecture in ANYTHING I wrote (the tiny bits that were were leftovers from the old map lore, since the current in-game lore occassionally references the old map for lore tidbits or easter-eggs).


Deadcat's history is in the origin of the Cat itself as a currency. And yes, they do, in fact, at this exact moment in game, control every major city in the South East. Catun is their primary capital. Brink is their northern most town. Clownsteady used to be a Cat town and some NPCs companions will even mention it but it defected to UC when Deadcat lost the Hub to HN (and then quickly say not to bring it up again since the local Noble don't like that sort of talk).

The Holy Nation DID find a cache of advanced tech and overthrew Deadcat to break free and instituted policies against anyone possessing advanced tech or exploring ruins in their territory, since they wanted it all for themselves. (which even in game it mentions that the current stance against tech is actually very recent due to the newest Pheonix being rabidly anti-tech and tightening restrictions on even further than it was in the past). (Flotsam was part of the holy nation at that time. They didn't splinter off until later due feeling that later leaders were abusing Okran's teachings for personal gain).


The Imperial Lords (an old major faction from the old map who claimed to be the rightful successors of the Empire) are where all the nobles in UC/SG/TG come from. And they even mention in talk that they're supposedly the rightful successors of the old empire and were apparently a big deal in the past (in the old Map). But that the current crop of nobles are a bunch of lazy hedonist layabouts since taking over leadership positions in the other nations.

[Shidan]

I'm probably one of the people the most familiar with the lore outside of the devs themselves, and practically nothing you're saying remotely resembles the actual lore in-game.

1. Deadcat was specifically described by the devs as "Rebel Decendants" in the past. Not being some powerful empire from shortly after the Chaos Age.
   
   
2. The HN was anti-tech for as long as history remembers. Even if they found some ancient technology cache, they would have simply burned it.
   
   
3. Pretty much none of the locations you mentioned are owned by Deadcat. The SE locations you mentioned are owned by the United Cities. Everything we have ever seen of Deadcat is little villages in the NW.
   
   
4. The Imperial Lords don't even exist in the lore. They were on the old world, and have not once ever been mentioned or seen since. And lore didn't exist in the old world, literally none of it was written yet.
   
   
5. The Hub was owned by the Holy Nation, and destroyed by the Shek. This is explictly stated in the lore books found at there.

I'm pretty familiar with every character with dialog, and every lore book. Point me to literally anything to back up your statements. Far as I can tell you simply pulled all of this straight out of Narko's backside...

As for the actual topic, Deadcat is and has always been hostile with the HN (even on the old world technically). And dialog with members of Deadcat reveals them to pretty lax with regards to other nation's laws. Likely comes from their "Rebel Decendants" origins. Not too different from Shark and Mongrel in that regard, people attempting to settle areas away from the influence of the empires of the world. Of course, said empires wouldn't appreciate that.

Ever since HN patrols were added further north, they have a tendency to venture into town. Personally, I feel like they probably need at least a coexistence setting or something. Otherwise this will simply keep happening.

[kaiyl_kariashi]

Ok. GO sit in a UC town and just listen to NPCs talk.

Then go and update the wiki so I don't keep getting called a liar for just repeating what is in-game.

[Shidan]

If you desperately want to discuss this further. I'd suggest you either make a new thread of your own for the topic, or at the very least take it to the lore discussion thread. No deed to further derail this thread with it.

I'd be happy to go over any bits of lore you wish elsewhere. :)

[Explicitly Offensive Cuneiform]

Originally posted by kaiyl_kariashi:

Ok. GO sit in a UC town and just listen to NPCs talk.

Then go and update the wiki so I don't keep getting called a liar for just repeating what is in-game.

The npcs are not the best sources. Remember that they are also drunk, stoned, malnourished, and posibly inbred.

Also note that the lore is subject to change.

I suspect that the imperial lords are the faction that turned into the traders guild, as two of the major players in that guild are lords. Deadcat used to be a mercarnary guild on the old desert map, but now they appear to be survivors of the cannibal attacks. I am suspicous that the cannibal hunters used to be their military, and are now attempting to reclaim what was lost.