how "done" is this game?

[Icedfate]

is it close to a full release?
will progress be wiped upon release?

[Bilgot the Heartless]

Not close to full release. There was not any major update yet. They are planing to do it in Q1 this year. Right now game has only one map with 3 bosses, 5 playable characters. One run takes 20 minutes (if you win). It is about 20h gameplay right now if you want to get all achievements, get a good gear for every character etc.


About progress, devs didn't make a statement but why would they reset everything? It is not multiplayer game, it is not closed/open beta. It is just game with a small content, that is why it is in early access.

[Icedfate]

okay. it's that i normally don't go for early access. I do have this on my watchlist, but then right now, there's a bundles deal of this + brotato and i'm on the fence about brotato.

i just spent 100 hour on vampire survivors and never thought i would like it, but sometimes it's good to step outside of one's comfort zone and try something new.

[Guybrush Threepwood]

exact same thing happened to me with vampire survivors and then i fell into this rabbit hole... this seems more engaging that most of these types of games
The dash, the gear hunt and most important (at least for me) you take dmg when smthng swings at you not when you touch stuff.
i'd day get it, try it and if its not to your liking you can always refund it. Never had an issue with steam refunds so far.

[Icedfate]

well steam refunds are only within a short window. my concern when it comes to early access titles is that they might not ever get finished.

i did watch a youtube and it looks good. I like the concept of equipping gear and the dash and the way enemies attack.

[Quokka]

honestly for me it is worth the price for what it is in its current state. I'd recommend giving it a try for an hour or two and refunding if you don't really like it.

[Xaelon]

We don't know the developer's full plan for the game yet so it's hard to say how complete the game is. You can check out the current version of the road map here and decide for yourself if you want to jump in now or later: https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/2334730/view/3882728508881426457?l=english

Wipes are never done for games with local save files because it doesn't work. You can literally copy your save file as many times as you want so a wipe would be completely ineffective.

[Earthling Z3R0]

Originally posted by Xaelon:

We don't know the developer's full plan for the game yet so it's hard to say how complete the game is. You can check out the current version of the road map here and decide for yourself if you want to jump in now or later: https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/2334730/view/3882728508881426457?l=english

Wipes are never done for games with local save files because it doesn't work. You can literally copy your save file as many times as you want so a wipe would be completely ineffective.

It does work. If the devs wanted, they could easily apply code to invalidate old savegames in case they wanted to get rid of them and have people start from scratch.

But this is rarely ever done. Usually it's only required when they change the structure of the savegame database and are too lazy to convert it to the new one.

Just saying. It can be done. So having an offline savegame does not render you invulnerable to this practice.

[Dregor]

Originally posted by Earthling Z3R0:

It does work. If the devs wanted, they could easily apply code to invalidate old savegames in case they wanted to get rid of them and have people start from scratch.

But this is rarely ever done. Usually it's only required when they change the structure of the savegame database and are too lazy to convert it to the new one.

Just saying. It can be done. So having an offline savegame does not render you invulnerable to this practice.

Yes, but no. There are ways around everything you just said here. Which is the entire upside of non-online games. You don't like what the dev did? Revert stuff. Sometimes you have to know what you're doing to make that happen though.

[Letari]

If you need another survivors-like, get Holocure, it's free and will stay free forever- it's a passion project by the dev and even min/maxing runs, it takes 60 or so hours to 100% the current game.

A lot of the survivors games are works in progress with devs that are open to feedback and even if they never get "finished", you still get a ton of hours for low prices. Imo, that's a win right there.

Here's a spreadsheet that tracks and ranks all these games: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nxkbyp9DQw5Hu00FxN77JOEMoytw4UZuF8seY4Fnapk/edit#gid=0

[Icedfate]

i saw holocure pop up omce, but it looked like a meme game for people who know who those online personalities were. .and i don't know who they are. are they some tiktok channel or a jpop thing or something?

[Letari]

You absolutely do not need to know anything about Hololive to enjoy Holocure. The gameplay loop and systems can stand entirely on their own. (Believe me, I'm not a fan of theirs, what I've learned is just what other people have explained!)

Hololive is basically officially supported Vtubers who roleplay as their characters while streaming wholesome content. Some of them are musically inclined, others are just gamers or artists, some are even tech savy enough to troubleshoot and help others.

There are inside jokes/memes/references but the game is good enough that you 100% can enjoy the game without knowing about it. Don't let the aesthetic turn you away from it. Also again, it's free and will always be free- so your wallet won't suffer for trying it.

[Earthling Z3R0]

Originally posted by Dregor:

Originally posted by Earthling Z3R0:

It does work. If the devs wanted, they could easily apply code to invalidate old savegames in case they wanted to get rid of them and have people start from scratch.

But this is rarely ever done. Usually it's only required when they change the structure of the savegame database and are too lazy to convert it to the new one.

Just saying. It can be done. So having an offline savegame does not render you invulnerable to this practice.

Yes, but no. There are ways around everything you just said here. Which is the entire upside of non-online games. You don't like what the dev did? Revert stuff. Sometimes you have to know what you're doing to make that happen though.

I like offline games as well. But no, there are not ways around everything I said. The average gamer Joe will not be able to hack an encrypted savegame file that has just been invalidated by the devs because they switched to a new database structure and do not provide savegame conversion. This has happened in the past.

[Capt.Luke]

https://steamcommunity.com/games/2334730/announcements/detail/3882728508881426458?snr=2___

[MrSmiley]

Originally posted by Icedfate:

i saw holocure pop up omce, but it looked like a meme game for people who know who those online personalities were. .and i don't know who they are. are they some tiktok channel or a jpop thing or something?

a vtuber agency, they are streamers. I dont know any of them but I still enjoy the game a lot anyways, and again, its free so why not try it.

Death Must Die is pretty good, even as it is now, but if you are wary of early access games you can just keep it in watch/wishlist and come back when there is more done if you need to.

[Doctor_Akiba]

> will progress be wiped upon release?

Simple answer: there is no official confirmation.

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In terms of probability, it is unlikely. But that is a non-zero thing, no matter what anyone else says. There is no set industry "standard" that is being adhered to and no clever client-side hijinks will be so easy and convenient. It's a gamble, and you're not forced to play.

If you do have plenty of time to spare, this is a fun game and worth it. But if you've got limited time and the possibility of spending that time having fun but eventually losing progress will be something you'll regret, then waiting it out till a 1.0 release (or in the case of other games, until the devs stop working on it) isn't a bad idea to take. There are plenty of other games out there that can keep you good company until the non-ea retail release.

As they say, hope for the best but expect the worst.