Insect Queen

[Suey]

This is meant to be seen by the devs.

This boss fight is TERRIBLY designed. It is ok that you force us to kil lthe minions first before hitting the boss... but it is not acceptable that the minions stay outside of the bossrom for 99% of the fight becoming unreachable for any melee character/build.

Basically this boss fight means a slow and misserable death to any melee build.

[Serendipitous]

You are not forced to kill minions, just do enough damage to make healing irrelevant. If you move into center of the room, they will follow you, you should learn how bosses behave.

Git gud and stop blaming the game.

[Sirjames101]

naw this boss is terrible for melee builds. it is always the scariest part of playing my avoron power build. the minions do nee to die unless you have insane dps at highter darkness. my only melee build that can dps the boss down while ads are up is my nixi poison build.

[Suey]

Originally posted by Serendipitous:

You are not forced to kill minions, just do enough damage to make healing irrelevant. If you move into center of the room, they will follow you, you should learn how bosses behave.

Git gud and stop blaming the game.

Since it is my first run in ACT2 i don't really have many good tier 2 items and I struggled a lot with this boss with Kront. I refuse to believe there was a way to outdamage that healing, it is mathematical impossible.

So yea maybe I need to git gud but has nothing to do with designing a boss that annihiliates melee builds.

And no, moving to the center of the room does nothing, once you chase them they quickly get out of bounds, the only way would be to have a lot of freeze stuff in your build.

Originally posted by Sirjames101:

naw this boss is terrible for melee builds. it is always the scariest part of playing my avoron power build. the minions do nee to die unless you have insane dps at highter darkness. my only melee build that can dps the boss down while ads are up is my nixi poison build.

Right, good to know ty.

[Serendipitous]

Originally posted by Suey:

Originally posted by Serendipitous:

You are not forced to kill minions, just do enough damage to make healing irrelevant. If you move into center of the room, they will follow you, you should learn how bosses behave.

Git gud and stop blaming the game.

Since it is my first run in ACT2 i don't really have many good tier 2 items and I struggled a lot with this boss with Kront. I refuse to believe there was a way to outdamage that healing, it is mathematical impossible.

Maybe you should abstain from claims like "mathematically impossible". Because it's not. Even if you don't have many or even any t2 items, it's not that hard to build your character so insect queen doesn't feel more than a slight speedbump. Especially on D0 which i assume you are playing.

So yea maybe I need to git gud but has nothing to do with designing a boss that annihiliates melee builds.

It doesn't, it just annihilates crap builds.

If you are willing to bet actual money i can just delete all my progress and make a video about Avaron, straight from Act 1, killing insect queen, showing that what you think is "mathematically impossible" is actually piss easy.

[Suey]

Originally posted by Serendipitous:

Originally posted by Suey:

Since it is my first run in ACT2 i don't really have many good tier 2 items and I struggled a lot with this boss with Kront. I refuse to believe there was a way to outdamage that healing, it is mathematical impossible.

Maybe you should abstain from claims like "mathematically impossible". Because it's not. Even if you don't have many or even any t2 items, it's not that hard to build your character so insect queen doesn't feel more than a slight speedbump. Especially on D0 which i assume you are playing.

So yea maybe I need to git gud but has nothing to do with designing a boss that annihiliates melee builds.

It doesn't, it just annihilates crap builds.

If you are willing to bet actual money i can just delete all my progress and make a video about Avaron, straight from Act 1, killing insect queen, showing that what you think is "mathematically impossible" is actually piss easy.

yea sure bro, i would bid actual money with a guy that minmax a roguelike game that is not even played at competitive level, you sound like a proper sweaty boomer

like woah dude... you tryhard a roguelike game and go to the forums to call other noobs for making valid criticism, pathetic actually

[phenir]

Being bad at the game doesn't make your criticism valid.

[Suey]

Originally posted by phenir:

Being bad at the game doesn't make your criticism valid.

You do realize this game has below average skill celling for a roguelike right? All you do as a player is pretty much running around looking for perma upgrades, game is more RNG based on getting good combination of offers early on, not much to do with skill or being good or bad.

Valid criticism is saying that a bad combination of RNG offers can wipe you on this boss because minions become unreachable for pure melee builds.

[Serendipitous]

Originally posted by Suey:

yea sure bro, i would bid actual money with a guy that minmax a roguelike game that is not even played at competitive level, you sound like a proper sweaty boomer :lunar2019laughingpig:

like woah dude... you tryhard a roguelike game and go to the forums to call other noobs for making valid criticism, pathetic actually

Git gud scrub

[Suey]

Originally posted by Serendipitous:

Originally posted by Suey:

yea sure bro, i would bid actual money with a guy that minmax a roguelike game that is not even played at competitive level, you sound like a proper sweaty boomer

like woah dude... you tryhard a roguelike game and go to the forums to call other noobs for making valid criticism, pathetic actually

Git gud scrub

if i wanted to git gud i would go play an actual skill based game, you are very delusional to think you are a gamer™ for betting money with others in a roguelike heavily RNG based,

get real boomer

[Serendipitous]

Jester farming is getting out of hand

[Chibi Life]

Originally posted by Serendipitous:

Jester farming is getting out of hand

Nobody has given a single jester in this entire thread

[Serendipitous]

Originally posted by Chibi Life:

Originally posted by Serendipitous:

Jester farming is getting out of hand

Nobody has given a single jester in this entire thread

Never said he was a successful one.

[MisterOgreFromTheSkies]

Originally posted by phenir:

Being bad at the game doesn't make your criticism valid.

Being "good" at the game doesn't mean you get to decide what criticism is valid or not.

All the "counter-arguments" I've seen in this thread are "lol no/git gud".

[Realm Archive]

Haven't read the full thread but overall I agree. A lot of monster/boss attacks need better choreographing but more importantly skills that work against both melee and ranged equally.
We probably won't be returning to old acts for some time but I'm hoping we can polish a lot of the visual, data and other issues with some monsters eventually.

We should make those healers not leave the arena before then though, as a quick fix. Thx for the reminder, I'll put it somewhere in the to-do this time
-Ren

[madadayo]

i had the same problem with kront. then i realised the knockback effect from talents and krom buffs was too much for this fight. my attacks worked to push those healers out of the arena. so no/less knockback, no problem. figuring out workarounds instead of expecting the game to be a unilateral experience is more fun in my opinion. after all, a lot hinges on chance and luck in the game. cheers.