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KGNao 2024 年 6 月 5 日 上午 11:55
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36 is the max talent points? Are you serious?
Pardon me, but this is beyond stupid. I don't mind grinding for cosmic essence - I like grinding. I was so excited to max out the talent trees then was confused as to why I stopped getting the essences to drop for Merris. Googled it and turns out it maxed out at 36?

...WHY? The fun in these games is the meta progression and slowly getting more and more powerful and/or OP, and you're blocking it? Again - WHY?
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StarGazer 2024 年 6 月 18 日 下午 6:20 
The point is you making a choice lmao.
If you could have it all that kind of defeats the purpose no?

If you ment options then yes, that would be nice.
madmax_madog 2024 年 6 月 22 日 上午 1:27 
I don't really get people saying that being able to max out the talent trees would make the game easier. Is someone forcing you to upgrade your talents? And what if it made the game easier? It's not a competitive game, it's a single player game that I bought with my own money, I should be able to do whatever the hell I like.
Solo 2024 年 6 月 22 日 下午 12:40 
引用自 madmax_madog
I should be able to do whatever the hell I like.

You did...

引用自 madmax_madog
I bought with my own money

Your choice was to participate, not to dictate.
Ramadan Steve 2024 年 6 月 24 日 下午 4:08 
引用自 Rantzas
Personally I think its kinda strange to expect to be able to fill out a talent tree. When I see a talent tree I think something like World of warcraft (classic to wrath) so I never expected to be able to complete the tree.
Did you just compare a $5 indie bullet hell's talent tree to a gigantic MMO? Yikes.
Rantzas 2024 年 6 月 24 日 下午 11:18 
引用自 Ramadan Steve
引用自 Rantzas
Personally I think its kinda strange to expect to be able to fill out a talent tree. When I see a talent tree I think something like World of warcraft (classic to wrath) so I never expected to be able to complete the tree.
Did you just compare a $5 indie bullet hell's talent tree to a gigantic MMO? Yikes.
What's yikes about that? I used WoW as an example because they talent tree is limited so you cant get everything and there are different paths depending on what playstyle you wish to do. similarly in this game.
I dont understand what the $5 has to do with anything.
SkewerHed 2024 年 6 月 25 日 上午 12:11 
Interesting. When I read the talents at the bottom row I figures we'd only be able to pick one. I wouldn't mind being able to max it all out though.
TakeMyLunch 2024 年 6 月 25 日 上午 4:30 
Personally if they wanted the last row to be exclusive I'd have made it so you could only pick one directly. Currently the points are so thin that I kinda have to take things I don't care about to get to the next row of things I do. Effectively feeling like I wasted points.
That's my only gripe with it so far at least.
whiblack 2024 年 7 月 10 日 下午 7:07 
引用自 KGNao
If you are okay with using Cheat Engine there is a way to max out the talent tree by finding the value address of the max talent points! I found it after googling around in cheat engine forums. You'll need a bugged save editor to clear out the talent points (back to 0) and after completing 2-3 runs you will find the value. Then you can set it to 200 even to get everything.
Since I don't want to ""cheat"" I increase the max talent point by 4 each time I complete a run so it feels like I'm still progressing. Game is more fun this way for me.

Sorry to bother, but could you please share the name/link for the save editor you used to reset the talent points?
HenIchaer 2024 年 7 月 11 日 上午 3:36 
Well, yes, I understand, it's all about the builds and other important stuff. You shouldn't be too strong, otherwise the game's balance will be broken. Blah-blah.

But, guys, the balance is broken already. And it's quite frustrating to play rouglite games without any progression. I have the skilltree, but it's just a decoration for me now.
Playing should be fun first of all. And it's not fun to be limited without any reason.

I do believe that this cap must be soft. Players should be able to receive skill points in some alternative ways. For example, once a player reach the maximum level, bosses start to drop skill point orbs with 15% chance.

This won't break the balance (as if it exists), but will allow to develop characters further (if you don't mind to grind).

And if it's so critical, the limit for the one only skill from the bottom line can be saved.
MOJO BAG 2024 年 7 月 12 日 下午 12:23 
引用自 madmax_madog
I don't really get people saying that being able to max out the talent trees would make the game easier. Is someone forcing you to upgrade your talents? And what if it made the game easier? It's not a competitive game, it's a single player game that I bought with my own money, I should be able to do whatever the hell I like.
Zoomers are really trying as hard as they can to ruin gaming, aren't they?
QBEY of GENSOKYO 2024 年 7 月 12 日 下午 1:02 
引用自 HenIchaer
Well, yes, I understand, it's all about the builds and other important stuff. You shouldn't be too strong, otherwise the game's balance will be broken. Blah-blah.
Looks like you did not understand it at all.

引用自 HenIchaer
But, guys, the balance is broken already.
Unfinished but not "broken". In most cases the balance seems pretty fair, with the exception of some enemies and a certain character.

引用自 HenIchaer
And it's quite frustrating to play rouglite games without any progression. I have the skilltree, but it's just a decoration for me now.
The skilltree will become a decoration exactly if it becomes fully accessible. Because once you unlock it completely, there will no longer be any need to revise it at all.

引用自 HenIchaer
Playing should be fun first of all. And it's not fun to be limited without any reason.
Why are you even playing this game if you're not having fun? Then just choose another one.

引用自 HenIchaer
And it's not fun to be limited without any reason.
The reason IS the builds.

引用自 HenIchaer
I do believe that this cap must be soft. Players should be able to receive skill points in some alternative ways. For example, once a player reach the maximum level, bosses start to drop skill point orbs with 15% chance.
Strongly disagree. This will result in an unimaginable amount of grind and a completely worthless waste of time just for the sake of a small chance of getting what you need. Not to mention that this will completely destroy characters' building at all.

引用自 HenIchaer
This won't break the balance (as if it exists), but will allow to develop characters further (if you don't mind to grind).
This will completely ruin building aspect of the gameplay. To further develop the character, it would be much better to have more alternative builds, but definitely not the possibility to open the entire skilltree at once.
Raremob 2024 年 7 月 12 日 下午 1:39 
引用自 Xan
Because several of the final talent don't really work with each other or would cause strange interactions and/or make things a bit too easy.

maybe then you can only choose one final talent? kinda like you can only pick a single ultimate in diablo 4?
Speari 2024 年 7 月 12 日 下午 1:44 
ohhh that's unfortunate :c I actually JUST got excited at the thought of grinding it all to max out every talent tree lol. Resetting doesn't cost a ton though, on the plus side, but I'd hope to at least be able to get half of the points for the tree?? Regardless, it's such a fun game, and not annoyingly hard, so hopefully it's not too bad.
HenIchaer 2024 年 7 月 12 日 下午 1:45 
引用自 QBEY of GENSOKYO
Unfinished but not "broken". In most cases the balance seems pretty fair, with the exception of some enemies and a certain character.
It isn't about enemies and characters. It's about god's boons. Some of them are too strong, and some are absolutely pointless.
The game is totally unbalanced, which is acceptable.

引用自 QBEY of GENSOKYO
Why are you even playing this game if you're not having fun? Then just choose another one.
That's why I stopped to play this game.

引用自 QBEY of GENSOKYO
This will result in an unimaginable amount of grind and a completely worthless waste of time just for the sake of a small chance of getting what you need. Not to mention that this will completely destroy characters' building at all.
Not for the players, who love builds. And you love builds, right? You won't grind for some pathetic extra skillpoints.
And, please, don't worry about my own time.
QBEY of GENSOKYO 2024 年 7 月 12 日 下午 3:34 
引用自 HenIchaer
It isn't about enemies and characters. It's about god's boons. Some of them are too strong, and some are absolutely pointless.
The game is totally unbalanced, which is acceptable.
Some examples of "pointless" blessings?

引用自 HenIchaer
That's why I stopped to play this game.
So, what the point then? You don't like the gameplay aspects, you leave, that's it, and that's how it should be. And not in the manner "deal with it or gtfo", but this is how works the products that are not aimed at the widest possible audience. If a game tries to please everyone, it will end up being mediocre at best for everyone.

引用自 HenIchaer
Not for the players, who love builds. And you love builds, right? You won't grind for some pathetic extra skillpoints.
And, please, don't worry about my own time.
You are literally proposing to get rid of the builds themselves by making it possible to unlock the entire skill tree at once and say that this should be ok for those who loves the building?.. This is illogical nonsense. Are you even familiar with logic?
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