Less is not More.

[Kokuei]

Lets start off that saying yes I play this game because of Halls of Torment, but I'm not on my other computer or my son's computer at this time so it's not on this profile.

With that out of the way, the point of this topic is pointing out that this game does NOT need tons of nerfs when going into a early access form or if it is ever to come out of early access into a full fledged game.

The game needs MOAR, not less and yes I spelled it like that as a pun.

For example, we've used everything in the game and Gem High is OP oh my gosh let's nerf it it's too OP delete it delete it.

Sounds something like that huh?

Well, Typically that's the standard when you make a brand new game that has obviously nothing much in it... YET.

The game released in November 14th, of 2023 this means it hasn't been out for long and has about a lot more design and detail than Halls of Torment, but lacks in levels & bosses at this time.

With that being as blunt as possible, Gem High, ah yes the hot topic that everyone never gets tired of during the diablo days when every time there is something OP from the "get go" it's time to nerf! Ner-ner-ner-nerf! *insert yugioh theme "time to duel" music*.

Gem High is fine, fun, funny, and entertaining when paired with Warped strike.

Well could you ADD something ELSE to the game to compete with this feature cause it does take a good deal of skill to build for this?
(Yes, it does everyone's tried it, but it is still weak for a build when you go higher it really is it can be killed my son & I have seen it countless times.)

There is even another way to do Gem High without even using Gem High, but it's oddly done through Mort where she gives Execution gift as a way of giving weak exp gems after killing or hitting enemies, but the point here is that could be re-worked to give you gems and as you collect the weak gems it allows your raised skeletons from necromancy to be empowered similar to how gem high works.

Look you created a great game and the highest tier ability shouldn't ever be nerfed or deleted it should be the BAR that is set and the challenge when looking at feedback isn't to satisfy the hardcores or the casuals it's to add more to the game to make it more fun and the moment you immediately go around pandering to the nerf or nothing group or the it's not punishing me enough group then that's when the game becomes a strife which depletes the fun.

I genuinely had fun, my son and I still have fun playing this game, but Gem High & many other characters just need new things, like where's the Archer in this game?

Only 1 projectile character so far?

Is there a weapon throwing character or skill?

It is FAR too early to be listening to limits and never to early to expand the game before throwing the fun away.

We had so much fun with gem high during it's early release that my son & i actually connected for a whole week on this game, but the fun has died down realizing when we went to look for new updates about the game all we see here in the discussing is removal of this, nerf of that, and it kinda makes us realize the game isn't adding new stuff it's deleting things we loved about it.

Come on Gem High, it's finally time for you to stop being the top dog stay the same way you started and keep on being you, but let's add somebody else in the mix to take the torch next patch okay?

Thanks to anyone that has lasted this far and yes I will be ignoring troll comments as if they are constructive criticism cause I'm just a guy that loves this game and a dad that wanted to play the game hanging out with his son.

(and was hoping of seeing some new content yet, but.. darn we're SERIOUSLY waiting....)

[MrQun]

Indeed. If you go to the game's store page, among other features you'll see this: "Choose from hundreds of god blessings to create synergetic and varied builds."

I don't know about you or any one else, but nerfing stuff seems go against this. I mean how are you going to create synergies and varied builds if many abilities are so weak?

But as you said, it is still in early access and we'll have to hope that they have a good competent plan and that they muck it up. Time will tell.

[Kokuei]

Originally posted by TheQunRules:

Indeed. If you go to the game's store page, among other features you'll see this: "Choose from hundreds of god blessings to create synergetic and varied builds."

I don't know about you or any one else, but nerfing stuff seems go against this. I mean how are you going to create synergies and varied builds if many abilities are so weak?

But as you said, it is still in early access and we'll have to hope that they have a good competent plan and that they muck it up. Time will tell.

Exactly, the varied builds and many ways to build characters are actually lacking because the content is lacking, but yes it is because it did just come out less than a month by now and we should be able to wait for more content.

With that being said it honestly should be seriously noted that immediately trying to balanced out a game that just recently came out by giving out emergency nerfs and that some people say the developer is very keen to throw out nerfs shows the game has a very short shelf life for the fact many games suffer more when getting handed nerfs rather than solving the problem by adding more content if it is severe enough to be added sooner than later.

A lot of developers have seen this before where they see the huge hype and popularity of the game go sky high out of no where and the developers that make it are the ones that are able to handle it by adding in some last minute additions to the game if they feel it should actually suit it and solve the problem without having to force out a nerf to the original content created.
(Though you do get those developers that don't make it and they just break it by only doing "game balances" day and night while hunting down and following every teeny tiny complaint the game has till they're so coffee soaked tired they have no choice, but to hit release on their overly nerfed game and by the time they wake up and see what happened they could barely care less and then the game gets unpopular fast.)

I genuinely love this game and my son does as well, we just really don't want to see a game like this fall apart that has such huge potential to be more entertaining by just a few more small add ins here and a few there to calm the waters and remove the storm of arguments of what is op and what isn't.

Every game has something OP and something that is abysmal, but the original content that just recently came out less than a month ago has no reason to be so called "balanced" or troll talked about being "that's OP it needs nerfed" when honestly it doesn't because it's just the start and yes we're all impatient waiting for new content.

For me I'd rather make memes about gem high or being gem high in game and have content made on tik tok as jokes about how outrageous it looks in different runs each time or how fast would be the fastest speed run possible with warped strike & gem high at the moment.

There is still things to do and I've almost found some great builds too, we just need more content sooner than later and that's not the developers fault it got so popular so fast, but if they do add new content instead of nerf things all day and rebalance all night I'd love to congratulate them on a job well done for making a real well balanced game because after there is more content then the original added to the game and something to compete with Gem High that's when putting out nerfs and balances would make a LOT more sense.

[Kokuei]

Originally posted by TheQunRules:

Indeed. If you go to the game's store page, among other features you'll see this: "Choose from hundreds of god blessings to create synergetic and varied builds."

I don't know about you or any one else, but nerfing stuff seems go against this. I mean how are you going to create synergies and varied builds if many abilities are so weak?

But as you said, it is still in early access and we'll have to hope that they have a good competent plan and that they muck it up. Time will tell.

Thank you for your time, I'm actually glad we could have a mutual agreement on this particular topic for such a good game that got very fun... VERY fast.

[Kokuei]

Originally posted by TheQunRules:

Indeed. If you go to the game's store page, among other features you'll see this: "Choose from hundreds of god blessings to create synergetic and varied builds."

I don't know about you or any one else, but nerfing stuff seems go against this. I mean how are you going to create synergies and varied builds if many abilities are so weak?

But as you said, it is still in early access and we'll have to hope that they have a good competent plan and that they muck it up. Time will tell.

I've looked a lot, but DID gem high actually get nerfed or is that still being questioned at this time?

[Somulo]

most chilindish excuse (im not own the game but own it on other platform)

in human language i cant afford game for 10 $ so i pirated it and come to steam forum to start a brag about this game

bluh bluh bluh bluh :D

[Zoid13]

Merris + time + anything = free win
3proj staff, time generating gems each bounce, combined with force and pulling them in from infinite range is kinda a free ride. just makes it way too easy to sustain the entire game.
it is however fun :D

mort life link with some HP gear or justice life re-gen along with the other defensive also make it super easy. but that's not a bad thing to have some things in there to let people have an easier to actually get through the level.

and i mean... you aren't forced to use Time or the Heal skills :P

you can finish D30 without even attacking yourself lol yey summons!

early access. im sure how the game is now will have lots of things shuffled around, added and changed by the time its "finished"

winter is my fave synergy god. doesn't do a tonne of damage herself but she boosts the output of the the other gods like crazy, in that sense shes similar to time (gem high) and mort (mayhem). winter just takes a bit longer to ramp.

i like to go with 1 primary damage skill and mass banish everything else that doesn't directly buff it then get all Fates passives :D

[ZeppMan217]

What's synergistic about Gem High? You just pick up gems and go bananas. What's synergistic about Mayhem? Your curse just kills stuff and you end up with 500% damage by the end of the run. What's engaging about these beyond needing to have enough rerolls to get Time and Mort early on in the run? Nothing.

This ♥♥♥♥ is straight up busted, and the other gods simply suck ass. That's just a fact.

As far as the quality of nerfs is concerned, just look at Lifelink: it was nerfed HEAVILY, yet it is still the single best dodge in the game, giving insane damage and great survivability.

[Zeel Ara]

Counterpoint: Yes it is.

[Zoid13]

Originally posted by ZeppMan217:

As far as the quality of nerfs is concerned, just look at Lifelink: it was nerfed HEAVILY, yet it is still the single best dodge in the game, giving insane damage and great survivability.

dont need healing. lightning best dodge for more shrines :D