Intro/Execution

[Tokoloshe]

Maybe I will be called a sissy or other names, but I don't really care.
One thing that is really bothering me is the fact that you have to execute a person. Maybe in some American states the death penalty is still in effect, but for me it is ethically not okay. I'd ask you to maybe include a choice in the tutorial, giving him a life-long sentece instead.
I nearly stopped playing, because I did not want to be an accomplice in these happenings. A lot of you will think: Hey, I am sure he plays shooters. Yes, that is right, I especially love Bulletstorm, but that is a different pair of shoes. In a prison simulation I do not feel that I should be forced to execute a person (not even thinking about the possibility to do it later to other prisoners should it be implemented. A lot of them are even named after someone).
I hope that this becomes a serious discussion, but I am afraid it might not.

[Phade]

Guys, this isnt real, you see more death every day than in this game. You dont ever see the actual execution, so its time to just relax and enjoy the game.

[TiltingMills]

Ignoring the whole hypocrisy argument which I don't really have a stance on, I guess at the end of the day if you were the warden of a prison in a state that had the death penalty, you wouldn't actually have any choice in the matter right? It's not like you can go "nope, sorry governor, sorry state law, I don't feel right about this so not on my watch." Sucks, but that's the reality of the situation I suppose.

In the game-play context however, maybe the developers can, in a later build, provide a aimple option when you build your prison to say "death penalty y/n" and leave it up to you. And if they're going to do it properly then yes, players who choose no would be financially disadvantaged in a small way...statistically death row inmates cost more than any other gorup per annum to incarcerate, with those in long-term solitary confinement and those in protective custody in 2nd and 3rd position. So if you were to have death row inmates, they would be worth more to you per day and thus having a death row wing could be quite lucrative...

[Tokoloshe]

Half of the answers are as I expected, but to make the point again: A shooter set in a fantasy environment is something completely different as a simulation set in a non-fictional environment. I know that there is a fine line, I never said I could explain why I feel this way, but it feels wrong with me. I never said: executions have to be thrown out, I opt for a possibility to have a choice there.

[Lungbutter]

all your doing is pushing your moral/political ideals. theres nothing else to be gained except being mocked. i dont know how your going to make it threw life if a cartoon exeicution almost made you stop playing. just cause you think its wrong in real life.

[Valensia]

As the builder of the prison, you did not choose to have a death penalty. You are just obeying the law, the judge (that no one sees in this game) gave the death penalty to one of the prisoners, as warden, its your job to accomodate whatever your government asks of you. What im trying to say is, you are building a clearly American style prison, its a simulation and America still has the death penalty. Why bother? If you are so bothered with the death penalty, maybe use the effort you spent in this whining post to sign a petition for Amnesty International like I did. That might make a difference. Voicing your opinion here, about a game, is just stupid nonesense and I hope the developers keep the game as it is (also the buttcracks).

[Valensia]

Oh and by the way, I would love it if they make torture possible ^^

[Meeeps]

I guess, there are people which are not able to "roleplay". Doing things in games, which you wouldn't do yourself is the major fun, rl-simulations got boring quite fast.

[Bertie]

Originally posted by Tokoloshe:

A shooter set in a fantasy environment is something completely different as a simulation set in a non-fictional environment.

Non fiction environment? Yesterday I ran a shakedown and a guard found a rake in the toilet. Now I don't where you keep your garden tools, but I sure as hell can't think of a way to get a rake hidden in a loo! Another time one of the guards found an iron - bearing in mind I don't have a laundry that would suggest a (what I can only assume to be thoroughly neat and tidy) prisoner or visitor bought it in with them. Now I know I've got a lot in my trousers, but I'm pretty sure I couldn't hide an iron away in there.

Bottom line is have a little perspective. No one is 'forcing' you to do anything. Maybe they'll put a disclaimer in the credits saying 'No virtual 2D men were hurt during the production of this game'

[Unknown Error]

Don't worry, they all go to silicon heaven.

[MicHaeL MonStaR]

For a game, I really don't care. As long as it doesn't make people think it's a normal thing or a good thing to do (per se). They could also implement it so that it just depends on whatever the state or government wants, which would make the need for an execution-chamber dynamic. Perhaps there could be different kinds of execution, or no executions at all (maybe even an option chosen by the player if they insist), this way you have the options and also more variety in gameplay. And no executions could also add to the challenge as some prisoners would have to be there for a longer time rather than being executed of course.

But the principle, personally, I really don't care about for a game, because it's not real, and executions are a real thing, just like prison. I mean... it's not like you're doing it for real, you're only playing out an act virtually (in a very abstract way in this particular game too, I might add).
I honestly feel worse killing cops or people in GTAIV to be honest, because it first of all feels a little more real, and it's also a lot more graphic. Still, there's nothing to worry about because you're doing nothing but burning up electricity. It might bother some people's minds, but that's under the control of you and people around you.

Anyway, so I'd say; More options, more gameplay, everybody happy...

[Rei dos Vermes]

It's just a videogame for Christ's sake! Stop being an idiot.

[Dark Phoenix]

Originally posted by Bertie:

Originally posted by Tokoloshe:

A shooter set in a fantasy environment is something completely different as a simulation set in a non-fictional environment.

Non fiction environment? Yesterday I ran a shakedown and a guard found a rake in the toilet. Now I don't where you keep your garden tools, but I sure as hell can't think of a way to get a rake hidden in a loo! Another time one of the guards found an iron - bearing in mind I don't have a laundry that would suggest a (what I can only assume to be thoroughly neat and tidy) prisoner or visitor bought it in with them. Now I know I've got a lot in my trousers, but I'm pretty sure I couldn't hide an iron away in there.

Bottom line is have a little perspective. No one is 'forcing' you to do anything. Maybe they'll put a disclaimer in the credits saying 'No virtual 2D men were hurt during the production of this game'

I had a maxium security prisoner smuggle in a toilet brush...of all the things he could have got in (as a min security prisoner got a shotgun in) why a toilet brush.

Thing is, this game is pretty free. You will see prisoners shanked to death or beaten to death. Guards and visitors are also fair game. But introversion are trying to keep this as your prison, so if you don't want to kill someone, you probably won't have to. They have said that they want people to be able to build a right wing hellhole or a left wing hotel, it is up to you.

That said, the first mission is important. It knocks you out of any preconceptions you had about the prison system and makes you think about your future decisions.

[SteGHOSTaurus]

Originally posted by Unknown Error:

Don't worry, they all go to silicon heaven.

This made me laugh. Although, they are bad guys so wouldn't they go to silicon hell?

[Finarfin]

Originally posted by Piroska:

Originally posted by Unknown Error:

Don't worry, they all go to silicon heaven.

This made me laugh. Although, they are bad guys so wouldn't they go to silicon hell?

Perhaps they've been wrongly convicted by some silicon judge.

[Koowluh]

I just saw the Alpha 15 video and it was all about modding. I have no doubts that mods will be created that either:

A. Allow the use of the chair.
B. Deny the use of the chair.
C. Adjust the intro so you have a choice.
D. Add more execution options.
E. Remove death all together.
F. Create Zombie prisoners to take revenge.

Personally, I have no issue with the execution of bits and bytes running around the screen.