The original

[Satcom Wrangler]

So I honestly still play the original Stronghold Crusader...... My question is, is this an improvement of it or should I just stick to my classic?

[lamuerte71]

the one thing i miss from original crusader is the castle decorations and torture devices. they gave each a.i a distinct personality. the caliph had torture devices all over his castle while the sultans castle was like a paradise. also that gave bonuses to your productivity and military. your people also reacted to your kindness or evilness. havent played crusader 2 in a long time im reinstalling riight now to play the dlc also read a lot of tweaks were made to a.i and many bug fixes

[Satcom Wrangler]

Originally posted by lamuerte71:

the one thing i miss from original crusader is the castle decorations and torture devices. they gave each a.i a distinct personality. the caliph had torture devices all over his castle while the sultans castle was like a paradise. also that gave bonuses to your productivity and military. your people also reacted to your kindness or evilness. havent played crusader 2 in a long time im reinstalling riight now to play the dlc also read a lot of tweaks were made to a.i and many bug fixes

Well I guess on the AI side it makes a diffirence as they make it look nice, but on my side I just always went with good and build a million ofr the dancing children thing out of the my way taking up space lol

but other than the good/evil decorations are there negatives and positives?
(When giving negatives and positives, I am only relating to the original stronghold crusader ) Did they remove anything else that was in the original?

[sewellio]

personally i love the game and the developers just did a massive free update so its worth getting on sale i reckon :) a lot of people are voicing their negatives about the game but not enough people are talking out about the positives!! i think its fantastic so give it a shot and help the developers out :)

[Satcom Wrangler]

Originally posted by sewellio:

personally i love the game and the developers just did a massive free update so its worth getting on sale i reckon :) a lot of people are voicing their negatives about the game but not enough people are talking out about the positives!! i think its fantastic so give it a shot and help the developers out :)

Well honestly I am already convinced that it is a good game, but thats not the question but I do appreciate the comment.

[The Skirmish Lord]

Yes, I think it's an improvement.

Here's a quick list of some of the changes but I'm sure I missed something


What's missing:
Fear/Happiness buildings
Moats
Laddermen
Tunnelers
Siege Towers
No leather armor
No crenelation on the wall
No short walls

What's different
-Candles are made for extra chuch services in one church to increase happiness instead of building many chapels, churches or cathedrals
-Oxen are needed to move iron to the stockpile
-Mills are much more expensive
-You don't need a market to buy and sell items
-The market is very expensive but can be used to automaticlly sell or buy items. If you have no source of iron, you can set it to 50 iron and it will buy enough iron to keep it at that level. Your weapons shops will never run out of iron. You can also sell excess items like stone; set the sell point to 1000 and all stone aquired over that amount will be sold.
-Walls are either single or double width crenelation is automatically added
-Separate buildings are used to create swords and maces
-The engineer system no longer requires you to build engineers to create siege equipment, man the smelter, or man a tower balista or mangonel.
-Hovels accomodate more peasants if they are built closer to the keep.


What's new:
-An estate system is used where you can only build certain items on your estate
-Siege equipment is built in siege camps.
-New siege equipment includes war wagon and burning hay cart
-Many of the army units have been given special abilities that make for more interesting battles. Knights are no longer overpowering, can be dehorsed and can no longer attack buildings while mounted.
-Multiplayer options are much improved including the abiltiy to invite steam friends, save a multiplayer game, automatically download a map from the host if you don't have it.

The way I look at the changes?

I don't miss the leather armor or the lack of short walls or crenelation.
The fear/happiness stuff isn't really a big deal
I miss the moats but you couldn't build them on every map in Crusader 1 so it;s not that great of a loss.
I never used tunnelers
Laddermen couldn't carry armored units
Siege towers are a big loss though.

The big improvement on this game is the army units. Special abilities along with new units have made the warfare part of the game much more interesting.

Another big improvement is multiplayer. It's true, you may see lags if you're playing with 3 other players and they have large amies but it's not constant.

If you love Stronghold Crusader 1 then you'll love this game.

[Terrarius]

the performance is a bad joke...seriosly it will lag say goodby to good fps

[Satcom Wrangler]

Originally posted by The Skirmish Lord:

Thank you that was extremely helpful.

Originally posted by Simsala11a:

the performance is a bad joke...seriosly it will lag say goodby to good fps

I think my computer could handle it just fine.

Plus I noticed everyone complaining about this uses Nvidea. I assume your GPU is Nvidea as well?

[Baron]

The game's performance seems to be based around how close your machine is to Firefly's test machines, so it will either run perfectly or like ass.

[Satcom Wrangler]

Originally posted by Baron:

The game's performance seems to be based around how close your machine is to Firefly's test machines, so it will either run perfectly or like ass.

CPU: AMD FX 8350 (8 core 4GHz)
RAM: 16GB DDR3 1600Mhz
GPU: AMD Radeon HD 7800 series
Steam Library installed on 2xSSD RAID0

[SlowAnice]

Hello guys, the performance of the game is always good, but its not as stronghold crusader was because its 13 years later now, but for bad pc's put everything on low and maybe change the resolutions, i worked for my old laptop(wich i dont use by now) so only really crappy pc's can't handlel the game i think

[aggressiondontwork]

dont waste your money i still play my cd copy of stronghold crusdaer and its a million times better, the new one is garbage

[The Skirmish Lord]

@Bundeswehr
Your PC specs are better than mine so I doubt you'll have any problems.

There ARE performance issues for some people but the thing to remember is that no one is going to post "the game runs fine" if they have no problems; you'll always see more complaints.

Also, the latest patch fixed many issues and allows formations to be used more easily. For example; if you put a group in column formation, missle units go to the center for protection and pikemen go to the outside.

Another reason to buy is that it's now 40% off !

[TheBlackGrouse]

@Rileypushie

Maybe garbage is not the word (except for the lag/bugs) but it lacks tactical depth and so it ends in building more and more... Only money wins the game.

There are no trade-offs, no surprises and castle attacks are quite boring. You cannot use a different approach with Tunnelers, Laddermen, Siege Towers etc.

It's a half functioning Age of Empires without the unit upgrades and Shipments that gave that game so much depth.