remove the worst gun from the game

[Klarka]

Can you remove subata 120 plesae? i want to play the first driller but the worthless crap i cant stress enough how bad it is... is ruining it.

most weapons out damage subata 120 while other weapons are lvl 1 and ubata is lvl 16.

everytime i upgrade only damage and fire rate on subata 120 because it has fast reload speed.

subata at lvl 16 deals 3/4 of the damage lvl 1 other weapons do. it's absolutely horrible.

i tried ignoring subata and just upgraded explosive weapons but it just doesnt seem to work either.

Edit:

Alright, alright. I didn't want to bring the big guns but people kept saying that im wrong.
so here are proofs. boom. you can do anything about that. all your rambling and attempts for arguments have been swept away! :D Behold the end of your feeble arguments and "lol not" or "git gud" comments :D

https://ibb.co/FJB81Rc
https://ibb.co/hWcJYgv
https://ibb.co/WVwx14m
https://ibb.co/dLJwTpJ
https://ibb.co/CQtdRx8

Compare the levels (damage+firerate, rarely any reload speed or paintjobs)
with the dps and damage dealt.
I rest my case :D

[Tyyne]

lol no

[Lunacy]

You ever get a lv18 subata? It shreds

[Xathroz]

Just won a run on H4 with mostly Subata upgrades. Git gud

[Perplex]

Subata is actually good. The worst gun in the game is the starter weapon for the first scout class. Even if you max it out it does abysmal damage.

EDIT: I did hate the subata in the beginning and found it hard to use properly, but now it has grown on me and i actually like it.

[xXBulletJusticeXx]

Originally posted by Perplex:

Subata is actually good. The worst gun in the game is the starter weapon for the first scout class. Even if you max it out it does abysmal damage.

EDIT: I did hate the subata in the beginning and found it hard to use properly, but now it has grown on me and i actually like it.

The first gun isn't all that bad once you get the element buff on it. I really enjoy the freezing mod, but the electric one does very good damage as well to the hordes.

[heresy is heresy]

Agreed on Hazard 5 certain guns are useless and yes I mean useless anyone arguing hasn't played Hazard 5. The driller and the demolition engineer are so bad on hazard 5. Explosives are so bad and the blinding visuals are so bad but they sold their million units.

[ZeppMan217]

Subata is a fine support weapon but you need an elemental OC for it to be useful in the long run. The actual worst starter is Crispr.

[Perplex]

Originally posted by ZeppMan217:

Subata is a fine support weapon but you need an elemental OC for it to be useful in the long run. The actual worst starter is Crispr.

At least that one get decent (not really) when upgraded, the Deepcore GK2 is trash all the time.

[ZeppMan217]

Originally posted by Perplex:

Originally posted by ZeppMan217:

Subata is a fine support weapon but you need an elemental OC for it to be useful in the long run. The actual worst starter is Crispr.

At least that one get decent (not really) when upgraded, the Deepcore GK2 is trash all the time.

Deepcore isn't that different: slap piercing and electric/cold OCs on it and go. There are worse options out there.

[Perplex]

Originally posted by ZeppMan217:

Originally posted by Perplex:

At least that one get decent (not really) when upgraded, the Deepcore GK2 is trash all the time.

Deepcore isn't that different: slap piercing and electric/cold OCs on it and go. There are worse options out there.

It is the only weapon i have never been able to beat Haz5 with when i focus on it. Every other weapon does damage, that thing does nothing.

[ZeppMan217]

Originally posted by Perplex:

Originally posted by ZeppMan217:

Deepcore isn't that different: slap piercing and electric/cold OCs on it and go. There are worse options out there.

It is the only weapon i have never been able to beat Haz5 with when i focus on it. Every other weapon does damage, that thing does nothing.

I mean, weapons are not made equal. That's why you get 4 weapon slots and 5 floors to build em up. There will be plenty of balance updates in the future, I'm sure.

[Perplex]

Originally posted by ZeppMan217:

Originally posted by Perplex:

It is the only weapon i have never been able to beat Haz5 with when i focus on it. Every other weapon does damage, that thing does nothing.

I mean, weapons are not made equal. That's why you get 4 weapon slots and 5 floors to build em up. There will be plenty of balance updates in the future, I'm sure.

I know, i am just saying that when i focus on other weapons haz5 works fine. But with that one it never works as it does abysmal damage compared to the rest. Even the pure support weapons do more damage. The only one coming close to it in uselessness is the electrical drone.

[Mitsu/Inervo]

Originally posted by Perplex:

Originally posted by ZeppMan217:

I mean, weapons are not made equal. That's why you get 4 weapon slots and 5 floors to build em up. There will be plenty of balance updates in the future, I'm sure.

I know, i am just saying that when i focus on other weapons haz5 works fine. But with that one it never works as it does abysmal damage compared to the rest. Even the pure support weapons do more damage. The only one coming close to it in uselessness is the electrical drone.

the more useless of the 2 4 directional weapons is as useless for me

[Klarka]

Originally posted by Lunacy:

You ever get a lv18 subata? It shreds

i had lvl 26 subata. it doesnt do anything.

subata 120 only has more damage per second than lvl 1 Axe when you upgrade subata to 16. then the Axe has only 3/4 of subata 120. and i am talking about ONLY damage+fire rate ugprades for subata 120

[gauge]

Wait until you try incendiary grenade on the lava level hazard 4. It's pretty much impossible to get to lever 25, I went for the driller throwing build, it Keeps trolling me by giving me reload on the Impact Ax but the ax reload isn't able to be lowered. It's like the Devs are trolling you. Some runs I have you just have to end because if You don't I have gotten to the fourth weapon and spent 300 gold on rerolls trying to get incendiary grenade and it just won't give it to you.

I really hope the Devs workout these Roll chances and realize that the chances you get the weapons you need and you aren't plagued with weapons that don't go with the build or upgrades that don't actually upgrade the weapons at all. I do appreciate that there are inefficient upgrades in the game because it Differentiates player skill. Dives are wasted on luck chances.

Yes, devs I see you trolling everybody. I'm not trying to complain because this game is amazing and it has so much potential to be one of the greatest survivor games ever made.