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Anton Strasser: Nazi or German Soldier classified as not a Nazi?
Before you start typing away. I want this discussion friendly and civilized as possible. I don't want any fights happening in here. Thank you.

Reason why I'm asking such a question like this since I'm being more and more interested with the character. (possibly my favorite)

But my friend yells at me that I'm playing as a nazi, And some of my other friends say he's just a German WW2 soldier not apart of the nazi party.
Feel free to put in some history, evidence etc in here and discuss about it. And like I said before, please don't fight about it. Hope you all have a great day.
Last edited by BurstIsMildlyOk; Feb 6, 2019 @ 10:44pm
Originally posted by Molly:
Anton is nod to our Red Orchestra series. He is a German soldier but not a member of the nazi party. He was part of the brigades sent to Stalingrad. Later he was used in an experiment by Hans where he was frozen.
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screeno42 Feb 7, 2019 @ 11:34am 
I sadly don't have an answer, but now I'm kinda curious too.
BurstIsMildlyOk Feb 7, 2019 @ 11:44am 
Originally posted by screeno42:
I sadly don't have an answer, but now I'm kinda curious too.
Now you know what I'm feeling about this curiousity.
gamba Feb 8, 2019 @ 2:27am 
while the wermacht did allow the nazi party to do several genocides, it still was an independant entity during nazi germany, so technically no, and even by then, iirc there are no references to anything resembling nazi ideologies in his quotes, so no again.
BurstIsMildlyOk Feb 8, 2019 @ 8:54am 
Originally posted by gamb:
while the wermacht did allow the nazi party to do several genocides, it still was an independant entity during nazi germany, so technically no, and even by then, iirc there are no references to anything resembling nazi ideologies in his quotes, so no again.
Good points. I remember I was reading a discussion of someone from Germany thanking Tripwire for adding a general WW2 German Soldier who isn't some sort of villain instead of the usual evil nazi doctor twice since we already have Hans Volter who acts like one of those nazi doctors. But I can't seem to find that discussion anywhere.
Eze Feb 8, 2019 @ 3:57pm 
Rommel wasn't a Nazi but he had to check on Afrika korps anyway.
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TBH all Nazis were German but not all Germans were Nazis (hope steam doesn't censor me lol).

If you wanna get historical on this Nazis were a general term used for Germans in WWII but the actual Nazis were the secret police and Hitler's own personal group of elites. To become in the ranks the Nazi's had to undergo more training and were branded with the

Nazi party symbol(s) (which made it easier for the allies to check who was a Nazi trying to escape or flee or blend into society). They basically had to prove their worth as to why they should be accepted as Nazis. Sorta why German had Nazis but also normal German people who just wanted to get by on day to day life.




My Headcannon on what could've happened. Not set in stone or official but makes a little sense:




Strasser was on track to become an official Nazi troop or officer but was halted because he was severely injured.
Pretty sure based on his cosmetics and his background he could've been a new recruit/ fresh meat fresh from basic training.

He was probably a German citizen but the reserve was activated because the Germans were pushing on all fronts (especially Russian territory). He still proved his worth fighting like hell in several battles up to the one where he basically was torn to shreds in battle. Had he not gotten injured he probably would've worked his way up the ranks to an official Nazi officer.

BUT

Because he got severely injured this process got halted. He probably never officially realized all the bad things the Nazis did and just saw the war side of the German's history rather than the domestic and political side. Not to say he could've seen what happened later on by a quick google...erm i mean Zedoogle search and realized what / who he was actually fighting for and felt slightly disgusted.

Rather than leave him for death Hanz, an actual nazi scientist, took pity because he saw him as a perfect blank canvas/speciement (blonde hair and blue eyes helped make his decision). Also he saw into his battle record and was impressed.

So he did some quick emergency or experimental medical procedure and cyrogeneically froze him for later when science would have advanced. He checked in from time to time and slowly healed him too as well as probably ♥♥♥♥♥♥ around with his body like steroids and junk to help him fight better.

But then the outbreak happened and Hanz had to go underground along with patty and instead focus on quantity mass production rather than quality. So he left Strasser there until someone or something triggered for him to become unfrozen.





really wish they'd get more in depth instead of lore into the actual character's backgrounds. I mean we can sorta get an idea based on the maps and character lines.

In Volter Manor (Hanz's house) we can see that he was an actual Nazi officer hanging out with other officers. We also see the laboratory underground in his house behind the fire place secret entrance and the basement entrance in his estate's garden.

Patty from KF1 to KF2 we can see he really loved his speciements and work and even called all of them (even EDARs) his children (since zeds were literally made from his son's own DNA as well as his wive's and i think daughter's).

We can see patty and hanz, even though they probably differ on alot of things, want to takeover the world and work together or at least tolerate each other (nah they work together b/c of the endless voicelines where they even get buzzed watch stranger things and eat pizzas).
Last edited by Fumo Bnnuy n Frends; Mar 19, 2019 @ 2:24am
Hudson Mar 20, 2019 @ 9:10am 
Anton Strasser is a RO2 character who got literally frozen in time, he took part in the invasion of Poland and in a battle that took place in Gumrak airfield.

Strasser is a German Soldier that was part of the Nazi regime. His ideologies remain unclear.
Désaix Mar 23, 2019 @ 2:51am 
Originally posted by (TF2SP) Startled Tapir:
TBH all Nazis were German but not all Germans were Nazis (hope steam doesn't censor me lol).

If you wanna get historical on this Nazis were a general term used for Germans in WWII but the actual Nazis were the secret police and Hitler's own personal group of elites.


So much whitewashing. The clean Wehrmacht legend is widespread in Germany and other countries, but wrong. Still, basically every German war movie depicts the Wehrmacht like this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_of_the_Wehrmacht
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_Wehrmacht

I'm saying this. Anton Strasser is worse than black female Wehrmacht soldiers in call of duty because Anton is reinforcing the clean Wehrmacht legend.

The developers are to blame since they either don't know enough about history, didn't think about ramifications out of ignorance or just don't care. They probably added him only to be edgy and because they like the German Wehrmacht uniform. If you really want to add a Wehrmacht soldier then chance his background story to something like he saw killings and felt it was morally wrong and switched sides. That was all that was really needed, yet they failed to do so.

Instead, Anton got betrayed and supposedly switched sides (the devs never tell us though). So let us give them the benefit of the doubt and say Anton switched sides to the good guys. He only switched sides because Hans betrayed HIM, not because of mass killings and genocide. This doesn't only make him a poor character, it also makes him an ethically poor one. Especially since he was fighting on the Eastern Front, which more mass killings going on, making it impossible for him to claim ignorance.

Originally posted by BurstIsMildlyOk:
But my friend yells at me that I'm playing as a nazi, And some of my other friends say he's just a German WW2 soldier not apart of the nazi party.

Many members of the NSDAP were also in the Wehrmacht. Just because the NSDAP had also its own forces doesn't mean that the Wehrmacht had none. Hitler liked organisizing his state like this since it would lead to non-hierarchic structures and every organization would be dependent on him.

I've written a review about the game and Anton Strasser.:
https://steamcommunity.com/id/desaix17/recommended/232090?tscn=1553341736
Last edited by Désaix; Mar 23, 2019 @ 5:34am
Nine♥Four♥Ten Mar 23, 2019 @ 9:28am 
Originally posted by Désaix:
I'm saying this. Anton Strasser is worse than black female Wehrmacht soldiers in call of duty because Anton is reinforcing the clean Wehrmacht legend.
That's not true. In fact the description is completely unrelated to that topic. There is no information in it claiming that the german army didn't commit war crimes and also no information claiming that it did. Which is fine because the text isn't about war crimes committed by the german army, it's about Anton Strasser the KF2 character who formerly was a german soldier.
Originally posted by TheRedAce:
He ain't Plain and ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ simple, you ain't a Nazi if you ain't apart of the SS (Not the Waffen-SS the General SS) or a Nazi Party Official, he's just a Soldier doing what He was told to ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ do, other wise he would be killed and hanged for retreating/deserting
He was severely wounded though and hanz took him in. He was frozen until he was awoken. It's in the bio but yeah he wasn't a nazi (at least when he fought in WWII).

All nazi's were german not all germans were nazis. Some were just simple citizens, farmers, and of course normal German soldiers.

2ndary evidence is his clothing says fresh recruit and aged steel on the helmet and his berret hat. Strongly suggesting or implying he was a soldier and a relatively new one at that.
Last edited by Fumo Bnnuy n Frends; Mar 23, 2019 @ 5:25pm
Désaix Mar 24, 2019 @ 1:29am 
Originally posted by TheRedAce:
He ain't Plain and ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ simple, you ain't a Nazi if you ain't apart of the SS

I don't know where you have learned or read that, but it is wrong. Not all "actual nazis" were part of the SS. Since the SS forces were rather small, the majority of "actual nazis" were not even in the SS. It's not your fault that you got that wrong since many video games and movies are depicting the SS as the only bad guys and the Wehrmacht consisting of soldiers just doing their duty. Thank you for showing everyone else the widespread influence of the clean Wehrmacht legend.

Originally posted by (TF2SP) Startled Tapir:
All nazi's were german not all germans were nazis. Some were just simple citizens, farmers, and of course normal German soldiers.

2ndary evidence is his clothing says fresh recruit and aged steel on the helmet and his berret hat. Strongly suggesting or implying he was a soldier and a relatively new one at that.

1. He supposedly switched sides (we are never told) because he got betrayed. Not because of mass killings.

2. It says in his biography that he fought in 1939 in Poland, in France in 1940, was part of Operation Barbarossa in 1941 and fought in Stalingrad in 1942, where he was eventually flown out. Since Stalingrad lasted until 1943, there is a high possibility that he got out of Stalingrad only in 1943. The developers don't tell us. All evidence suggest that he is not a new soldier.
Last edited by Désaix; Mar 24, 2019 @ 1:41am
Huh i feel more informed now. I thought hed switch sides because the zeds attacked the entire world including most probably Germany
Désaix Mar 24, 2019 @ 2:00am 
Originally posted by (TF2SP) Startled Tapir:
Huh i feel more informed now. I thought hed switch sides because the zeds attacked the entire world including most probably Germany

We don't really know. But it says in his biography that he seeks revenge on Hans for his experiments. Doesn't say anything about switching sides. He probably woke up exactly at the moment of the attack of zeds. So you are right as well.
Bongo ® Apr 23, 2019 @ 8:33pm 
The term 'nazi' refers to the NSDAP political party and its members. During the war all Germans both military and civilian were classed the same by they're enemies, the civilians did after all vote for and support the party. All armed forces wore the party insignia on there flags, uniforms and vehicles and on the decorations they received. Everyone who served in the armed forces swore an oath to Hitler and the party (not Germany) which strengthened the ideology that they were all 'nazi'.

By the end of the war there were over a million members of the 'waffen ss' and most of the war crimes they committed are well documented (Das Reich's march across France to reach the Normandy invasion springs to mind). If you read into the Barbarossa Decree of 1941 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbarossa_decree - they you will see that the German forces (not just the ss) invading the Soviet Union would not be held accountable for there actions under normal military law, they had a free hand to basicaly do whatever they wanted. The barbarism started early in the war in the east and continued right up until the last day of the war. Many of the attrocities in the west - France/Italy were by German troops who had been re-loacted to those regions after long deployments fighting in Russia where there was no rules. Some attrocities were also carried out by 'foreign' members/legions of the ss against partisan groups in the captured territories. One of the great ironies of the war was that in the final hours it was Frenchmen of the SS Charlemagne Division who defended the Fuhrer Bunker.

However to class all Germans as 'nazi' is wrong, we mostly all live in countries where we have to live under governments we have not voted for, dosen't mean we agree but we have no choice but to follow. Many in the wehrmacht disagreed with the tactics and methods and over the course of the war there was many assasination attempts on Hitlers life, both by the German civilans and members of the military. Those who served had no choice but to swear the oath to Hitler and the party, it was compulsory.

Post war alot of the blame has been directly aimed towards the ss and only the ss, but the Barbarossa Decree and the accounts of survivors tell a different story.

Attrocities happen in every war somethings will never change...
Wolfsmaul-GER Apr 24, 2019 @ 4:58am 
Originally posted by BurstIsMildlyOk:
Before you start typing away. I want this discussion friendly and civilized as possible. I don't want any fights happening in here. Thank you.

Reason why I'm asking such a question like this since I'm being more and more interested with the character. (possibly my favorite)

But my friend yells at me that I'm playing as a nazi, And some of my other friends say he's just a German WW2 soldier not apart of the nazi party.
Feel free to put in some history, evidence etc in here and discuss about it. And like I said before, please don't fight about it. Hope you all have a great day.
he is a nazi soldier, he may not have any swastika badges or symbols on him, but his uniform and "stahlhelm" is from nazi germany (im not 100% sure) and also he has an cosmetic hat (buyable) that represents an officer cap. also anton strasser (the character) is inspired from the "red orchesta 2" (a game in WW2)

and that your friends say "you are playing as a nazi" isnt true because he may be an nazi soldier but maybe he was forced to war and didnt want to be an nazi
Last edited by Wolfsmaul-GER; Apr 24, 2019 @ 5:01am
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