SWAT Taser (mark II suggestion): Riot Kit

[Cap'n Saccade]

Same as before...

SWAT has a Taser (similar to medic pistol, cannot be dual wield).

It's basically a remodelled Desert Eagle, since this is the model that looks most like a Taser IRL.

It zaps things and applies the electrical stun while causing some burn damage.
Alt-fire zaps the main thing and has an AoE effect for the electrical stun causing higher damage.

The electrical charge (perhaps only on altfire as main) can de-rage the target, FP, SC, QP, whatever, but not recharge in time to exploit this function.

As it's a "pistol" it cross perks with gunslinger.

It adds the only weapon with a debuff feature to swat (and gunslinger, thinking about it) while also giving SWAT, gunslinger and survivalist a new toy to play with and a bunch of new tactics.

It is affected by SWATs pistol 50% damage perk, as it is a pistol.


With all this talk of a SWAT having a shield (which doesn't make sense to me, and I don't think it does to you, or you'd have already done it) - someone mentioned using it with a baton.

This sounded more reasonable than a sidearm (or, worse, SMG... smh), even though it's bascially SWAT's Bonecrusher, which isn't very creative or useful - may as well be zerker with Bonecrusher, imo.

However, if the Shield was paired with Taser (so Taser alone, or Taser with Shield [Riot Gear]), then it creates a very interesting combo.

Not only is a pistol introduced that can go with the stun/nail grenades to assist others in taking out bigger zeds (and also pacify some trash for a moment), but it might be the 2nd - ok, third if you count Eviscerator) zerker ranged weapon - and one that could be used to "pacify" an AoE and main target before closing for a kill.

So, Taser is SWAT's with Gunslinger.
Taser with Shield (Riot Gear) is Zerker.

The SWAT Shield is always "up", so deflects some physical damage from the front.
The accuracy is not a problem as it's not a firearm with recoil.
The Taser doesn't need reloading as it simply has a battery and "recharges" between uses, until battery reaches zero (shield is still useful, even if weapon is spent).

This would solve the reload and accuracy with the shield and firearm issue.

When armed with Riot Kit, the SWAT can "pacify" zeds and also be more a breacher, as a SWAT member usually is. It can tank and be useful other than a bullet hose, plus soak up more damage than it can already.

(Special Weapons And Tactics, ironically, has none - it's SMG With A Throwable, right now).

A Zerker gets another weapon with a shield, only this time - it has some more interesting, on perk ranged weapon (Vlad is cool, Evisc. is cool kinda, but they don't "add" anything cool).

Demo and Zerk now get the bat, which is cool - even if it doesn't make much sense IRL.
Demo gets the harpoon gun, which is cool - even if it is kinda ... ok ... whatever ... fun.


SWAT gets no love.
It has no special weapons and tactics.

It's dull AF.

Taser and Riot Kit.

Two weapons, that are related - will add to SWAT, gunslinger, zerker and survivalists aresenal and - for the first time in ages - be a weapon addition that will do something that the game is capable of doing, but chooses not to do.

As - lately, past year or so - it's chosen to either dust off the back shelves, spend time on novelty items, and make additions that don't really do much anything that any different to what it does already..

(medic bat being the only exception, and that's more to fill a gap than anything).


Taser MkII - with or without the Riot Kit Shield. Loathe to say it - it does go with the lame shield idea people are hankering about in the discussions, anyway. But "with SMG"..? srs...


Making things go "boom" is easy.
Adding a physics aspect to something that goes "boom" is easy.
Making a bat that does the same as a medic dart or medic grenade - it's easy.

But they're not adding to the game in any way that isn't already there.

This is.

It's increasing the scope beyond "me make go boom".


Consoles...

I'm blaming consoles for that mindset.

[Cap'n Saccade]

I'm not interested in discussion this suggestion, so won't reply to anything concerning the suggestion.

Because I've made it and my views are clear.

I'm not trying to stop anyone else discussing it - but I don't want to be involved.

I've said my piece and that's that.

(and I'm serious about getting a hand written letter, wax sealed, delivered to TWI offices with my suggestions, if TWI continue producing rehashes, novelty items from fads from 7 years ago that are now trendy, gap fillers (although med bat is a good one) and the same but different ways to make things go boom, while not adding to the games strategies or introducing new game play, in new ways other than "cool explosion - console games like explosions and can't aim. Bat and Bomb 4eva.".

[Fumo Bnnuy n Frends]

Tbh swat needs more incap weapons.
Tazers but also things like batons and shields

[Eze]

I've seen underslung tasers in smgs in payday. Granted, you can't use them. If they gave this to swat I'll be cool with it, since it could do the same job as the flashbangs (stunning/stoping big zeds).

Could be like the 501 of the medic, because it is automatic and the alternative fire covers a purpose of the swat perk (stopping/stunning).

I love weapons with a very different alternative firing mode, gives them a lot of flexibility in one choice.

BTW I'm also been requesting a shield+smg too.

[Cap'n Saccade]

Yeah, I nicked the MkII Taser (Shied) idea from yours in general suggestions, cow milk.
The round style is already in the game with the bonecrusher - as is the baton (minus a few spikes).

https://imgur.com/a/coDTJXG

I'm happy whatever - that is if TWI even pay attention to these threads.
Even if it is only reskin of bonecrusher and given to swat - would be something other than:

Kid with lego's idea of what hero SWAT looks like.

Why not repurpose M79 as gas grenade (griefers, I guess)... nah, I'm drawing a blank.

[Eze]

Originally posted by Cap'n Saccade:

Yeah, I nicked the MkII Taser (Shied) idea from yours in general suggestions, cow milk.
The round style is already in the game with the bonecrusher - as is the baton (minus a few spikes).

https://imgur.com/a/coDTJXG

I'm happy whatever - that is if TWI even pay attention to these threads.
Even if it is only reskin of bonecrusher and given to swat - would be something other than:

Kid with lego's idea of what hero SWAT looks like.

Why not repurpose M79 as gas grenade (griefers, I guess)... nah, I'm drawing a blank.

SWAT is more about a trasher that can stun or tank (for a very limited time). Trashers need automatic fire.

IRL Swat use carbines and shotguns too, but not this swat.

[Fumo Bnnuy n Frends]

Originally posted by Eze:

Originally posted by Cap'n Saccade:

Yeah, I nicked the MkII Taser (Shied) idea from yours in general suggestions, cow milk.
The round style is already in the game with the bonecrusher - as is the baton (minus a few spikes).

https://imgur.com/a/coDTJXG

I'm happy whatever - that is if TWI even pay attention to these threads.
Even if it is only reskin of bonecrusher and given to swat - would be something other than:

Kid with lego's idea of what hero SWAT looks like.

Why not repurpose M79 as gas grenade (griefers, I guess)... nah, I'm drawing a blank.

SWAT is more about a trasher that can stun or tank (for a very limited time). Trashers need automatic fire.

IRL Swat use carbines and shotguns too, but not this swat.

that's sorta the point

m4 is technically a swat weapon more than support b/c irl swats do use those types of shotguns as well as the spas-12's to do raids or enter hotzones in.

armor imo should be default on swat as well as it being tank armor (medic and survivalist has it why not swat)?

as for carabines i can see swat using low grade but high stumble ammo instead so people won't say "hurrr but then just crossperk X weapon with swat like the thompson".

basically swat getting his own weapon types like the m16 vs m16 w/ grenade launcher in KF1. Same gun different function.

[Cap'n Saccade]

Little boxes on the hillside,
Little boxes made of ticky tacky,
Little boxes on the hillside,
Little boxes all the same.

There's a green one and a pink one
And a blue one and a yellow one,
And they're all made out of ticky tacky
And they all look just the same.

And the people in the houses
All went to the university,
Where they were put in boxes
And they came out all the same,

And there's doctors and lawyers,
And business executives,
And they're all made out of ticky tacky
And they all look just the same.

And they all play on the golf course
And drink their martinis dry,
And they all have pretty children
And the children go to school,

And the children go to summer camp
And then to the university,
Where they are put in boxes
And they come out all the same.

And the boys go into business
And marry and raise a family
In boxes made of ticky tacky
And they all look just the same.

There's a green one and a pink one
And a blue one and a yellow one,
And they're all made out of ticky tacky
And they all look just the same.

[Cap'n Saccade]

Tazer. Riot Kit.

More Cool.

Less Box.

SWAT - your choice for a less boring playstyle, at a toystore near you - SOON.

[Dog]

No

[Grim Sorrow]

Originally posted by Cap'n Saccade:

I'm not interested in discussion this suggestion, so won't reply to anything concerning the suggestion.

Because I've made it and my views are clear.

I'm not trying to stop anyone else discussing it - but I don't want to be involved.

I've said my piece and that's that.

(and I'm serious about getting a hand written letter, wax sealed, delivered to TWI offices with my suggestions, if TWI continue producing rehashes, novelty items from fads from 7 years ago that are now trendy, gap fillers (although med bat is a good one) and the same but different ways to make things go boom, while not adding to the games strategies or introducing new game play, in new ways other than "cool explosion - console games like explosions and can't aim. Bat and Bomb 4eva.".

I find it good .Andi i agree swat get no love And i diasgree with Two-Gun Dog .