Bonecrusher made berzerk too overpowered

[Str41k3r]

Hello guys,
i've just played black forest with 5 other guys 10 waves on hell on earth, and we all camped on that one watermill- thing ( i dont know what its acually called, its practically that 1 place on the map that you just can enter from a small way)
( me berzerk, 1 medic, 1 support, 1 demo, 1 sharpshooter and a comando all lvl 25 exept for 2 guys that were over lvl 20)

i used the bonecrusher (skirmisher, vampire, parry, massacre, spartan) and permablocked the only way to the others, when large zeds came i made em stumble back with a perfect block...
the medic constatnly healed me and not once a zed came pass me, because i obviously was in the way tanking the spot, so that the others could kill it (bosswave we changed that tactic and 1 guy sadly died cause patriarch went full ♥♥♥♥♥♥ after him).

in my oppinion that was not really a challange and i think (even tho we were a good team) this hardcore camping should not be possible ( for the fraction of a moment there were 2 scrakes and 3 fleshpounds and i lived with 50% health, just by putting a healing granate underneah me and me blocking the whole time)

i guess it would be balanced if you nerf the blockdmg multiplier of the bonecrusher, because that was just rediciouless

well then thanks for hearing me out

[BardzBeast]

This is nothing to do with the bone crusher. This technique is calle zerk-walling and is equally as viable with pulv/zweihander/katana. Also. I'm surprised for that spot and that technique you still opted to use skirmisher and vampire, you have a medic permanently spamming darts and youre sitting still, so regen and speed are pointless. I'd much rather have more health for tanking and faster/more powerful attacks. I know its off topic, but it upsets me as a medic main how few zerks use dreadnaught, then I see zerks getting their asses handed to them on hoe because they die so fast with low max health.

Another popular spot for this is the tower on prison. Its a tactic that may people use in their early hoe experiences. After a while it becomes a very boring tactic, sitting still clicking.

[Str41k3r]

i thought i read about some major block-bonuses for the bonecrusher, that are superior to the other berzerker weapons.

to the skills: this was the first time playing with that kinda setup for block only, so i simply not thought about changing vampire or skirmisher, i just changed to parry

i mainly play firebug and berzerker on HoE, but i never played like "just a wall", so im kind of surprised how well that works

[BardzBeast]

Its the easiest strategy because big zeds have to come one at a time and with all 4 other teammates shooting they die fast. There are spots for it on most maps. evac point, farmhouse, volter manor. don't know of any zerkwall spots on paris or outpost though

[SapphireSage]

That strategy isn't particularly better just because of the bone crusher though, The pulverizer has the same damage reductions for blocking/parrying. Its because the berzerker is simply too tanky to begin with. Between the innate 15% DR, parry skills 40% DR, parrying/blocking DR and the medic's potential 30% DR from darts/grenades Berzerks will simply take single digit HP damage from even FP and SC attacks when they're guarding the only way in and all. Bone crusher is better for tanking boss since it can reduce damage from bullets and patty's rockets but, zerk walling isn't really a thing at that point (though it may be for patty if indoors, hmm).

[Qon]

Originally posted by WoM | BardzBeast:

I know its off topic, but it upsets me as a medic main how few zerks use dreadnaught, then I see zerks getting their asses handed to them on hoe because they die so fast with low max health.

Upsets me as zerk when I use 175hp instead of auto regen and the medic doesn't know how to heal. Don't trust random medics and always pick regen skill!

[BardzBeast]

Originally posted by Qon:

Originally posted by WoM | BardzBeast:

I know its off topic, but it upsets me as a medic main how few zerks use dreadnaught, then I see zerks getting their asses handed to them on hoe because they die so fast with low max health.

Upsets me as zerk when I use 175hp instead of auto regen and the medic doesn't know how to heal. Don't trust random medics and always pick regen skill!

unoftunately 90% of random medics are rubbish. In my experience.

[Liquid Tuxedo]

I actually think, the pulverizer is much more useful against large zeds, or for breaking out of corner than the bone crusher...

[Str41k3r]

Originally posted by Tuxwuff:

I actually think, the pulverizer is much more useful against large zeds, or for breaking out of corner than the bone crusher...

thats true, because the pulverizer let the large zeds stumble back with the explosive hit

[Tactical toilet tomahawk]

Well people can "zerk walk" on HOE or run around the map for about half the round and die repeatedly and watch the gun slinger, medic, or zerker play most of the match. Note that all three of those classes come with a speed bonus. Being a tank and fast might be the problem; but as of now about 1 to 3 out of 10 HOE games (random pubs) have teams that are even close to succeeding WITH zerk walking. So DONT NERF THE ZERKER. I have a hard time finding HOE games as is. Also the reason people feel the need to use the zerker as a meat shield is because kiting is impossible and holding up in one location without a meat shield is impossible too! What are the other choices left? The zed spawning is crap and the maps designed to keep players from kiting so this is the result.

Don't get me wrong a good team can make HOE a walk in the park, but those are rare exceptions and not the rule. Some people want this game to be painfully hard and not FUN; do remember when games were supposed to be a fun challenge? Maybe we just need a difficulty for those nut jobs called “masochism mode”where players can really hate this game and themselves at the same time!