Sharpshooter

[bone chimes]

I've been playing a lot of sharpshooter recently and I would like to hear otthers' opinions: don't you guys think that sharpshooter is a little bit underpowered? At least in comaprison to gunslinger? it's slower than gunslinger, it's ammo is expensive, has not got that many effective weapon combinations and has much harder time dealing with trash (and, i guess it's subjective to everyone, but I find it easier to perform large zed takedowns as a gunslinger). What you get by playing as sharpshooter are a better grenade and some marginal increase in damage. In all other regards, this perk seems weaker.

What do you think?

[Littlefoot]

Been my thoughts as i moved up to higher difficulties. For all things a Sharpshooter can contribute to a team, a Gunslinger can do nearly as well while being a lot more versatile and having more survivability. Plus Sharpshooter is very dependant on having good teammates to protect you, if you don't, it just becomes all harder to kill the big zeds.

The Nagant is a step in the right direction with it's block ability + bayonet to stab small zeds to death if they get too close.

[Serious]

I would say gunslinger is op class. Esp in singleplayer its very easy on HoE.

In multiplayer it could be different:
- good teams: Ok, with good teams HoE is not difficult at all, class and even perks don't matter.

- random teams: this is where the sharpshooter shine. As you can take down big zeds before the rest of the team could enrage them... while with gunslinger on a bad team you are almost forced to start soloing before the noobs rage fleshpounds with 201 often before you can use your desert eagles or .500 for a safe takedown. And i don't play coop games for soloing.
Additional:
As you said: the nades of the sharpshooter are good, the best nades in the game in my opinion, while the nades from gunslinger are the worst.

I wouldn't say that sharpshooter is underpowered. He is not op. He is balanced. And exactly what you excpect from the class sharpshooter. -> more difficult to play as most other perks as you need to make every bullet count.

Not like a zerk with teslalauncher, a healer with a sniper or a demo with a shotgun^^

[o-o-o-Tekno-Musang-o-o-o]

I have level 6 sharp in first KF (its max level), after I got KF2 - I could only pronounce - "is it a joke".
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Sharp is ♥♥♥♥, gunslinger is new infinite love.
ps: sharp still can be fun to use pretty much if to try mixing perks a little, tho its not very easy to be great roamer with it
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Not so much but pretty similiar thing with firebug, it can be great perk but you highly restricted with what you shall use on higher waves, it was MUCH MORE fun perk in first KF, futhermore KF firebug was most fun perk out of all, still its nice in KF2 although it somewhat losed its charm.

[Dark Savior]

SS requires a good laning partner and decent aim.

A good SS has alot to offer to a team.
-Freeze grenades that can prevent team wipes
-VERY easy long range big zed takedowns
-One of the best zed time skills in the game.

Gunslinger bonus damage: 25+50=75%
SS bonus damage: 25+50+25+30= 130% without dead eye.

I wouldn't call SS damage bonus to be marginal.
The perk itself isn't unpowered but has a high skill ceiling.

In the video is a example of the benefits of a SS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-iE4oufCyw

[FUBAR]

Why play that when I can destroy everything without aim with demo.

[Psycho Dad]

Originally posted by fubar:

Why play that when I can destroy everything without aim with demo.:lunar2019grinningpig:

Because Demo doesnt work as well as SS unless its a cheese map? Because ppl actually enjoy aiming?

SS is a strong class and all in all about equal to Gunslinger IMO, just dependend on map and what the team needs. It can be played as large Zed specialist and has the best large killer weapon in the game (T5 Rail). It can be played as generalist (EBR/SPX/FAL) and still offer slightly higher/about the same DPS as a Gunslinger, one shotting most mediums from very far range, while constantly triggering Zed time for the team and providing top tier incaps.
Gunslinger is easier to play (especially in pubs) and tops SS in Zed time DPS + mobility, but doesnt have the team utility of a SS, which, clearly, gets overlooked by A LOT of players. That, the needed effort to play SS well and because it takes a decent team to make use of the Zed time triggers are the reasons why its constantly underrated. Like...why play that when I can just spam explosions or melee, right?

[Psycho Dad]

Well, you play Demo, so I didnt really expect you to...

[Gonzodiac]

Hail all skillful Sharpshooters who use M14 for big zed takedowns! Personally, I suck too much when playing SS and using this gun. :/

[Ricardo Milos]

Sharpshooter is one of the strongest perk in the game, who has pretty balanced skill tree with litte-to-no useless skills unlike Gunslinger, whose skill tree basically consists of no-brain choices.
Good Sharpshooter trivializes Scrake and Fleshpound takedowns, making HoE a cakewalk.

As I said before, unlike Gunslinger's skill tree, Sharpie has two or almost three different playstyles, which all beneficial to your team:
1) The first one is sniper, who destroys large zeds in seconds. Thanks to T5 Railgun and M99, which deal insane amount of damage and only require a decent aim to land a perfect headshot.
2) The second playstyle is marksman, which provides either easy-peasy Scrake takedowns using Ballistic Shock and FN FAL, or quick Fleshpound kills using Stability bonuses. The most beneficial side of this playstyle is frequent zed-time initiations, which allow your commando to further extend it up to 20 seconds and other perks to use their 25lvl skills more often.
3) The third playstyle is marksman-generalist, which consists of utilizing M14 and SPX. While SPX is not as good as FN FAL, it still has enough damage to quickly kill Fleshpounds and provides some badass damage output when used with Rack em up. Not to say that you also retain an ability to trigger zed-time frequently.

In addition, I should mention that Sharpshooter has probably the best grenades in the game (and with Always Prepared skill you can have 6 grenades overall) and on top of that I'd say it is a great clutch-perk if you choose marksman playstyle. I almost solo'ed 6p HoE full HP Matriarch with half HP head armor and full HP laser cannon using only Marksman build, T4 SPX and Rack Em Up (only died because Trapper stopped me right before Matriarch used her sonic attack, and she only had like 5% of her health left).

The only real downsides of Sharpshooter are vulnerability to trash zeds when played through Sniper build and high skill ceiling.

[Max447]

Sharp is one of the strongest classes right now, arguably stronger than GS in right hands.

GS can't trigger zedtime reliably
GS can't freeze groups of enemies with grenade
GS can't reliably stun big zeds/bosses
GS can't 1 tap big zeds from across the map.

And SS is not weak vs trash at all. M14/FAL/SPX destroy trash/medium zeds. Only advantage of GS is movement speed and having higher zed time DPS. Outside zed time, SS beats GS easliy

[Psycho Dad]

Its not stronger, SS doesnt have the Zed time DPS of Slinger and thats really powerful. Without Rail, their real time DPS is very comparable and with Rail you're not triggering Zed time that much. Cant have both, utility + uber DPS, you have to choose one.

[Max447]

Originally posted by Psycho Dad:

Its not stronger, SS doesnt have the Zed time DPS of Slinger and thats really powerful. Without Rail, their real time DPS is very comparable and with Rail you're not triggering Zed time that much. Cant have both, utility + uber DPS, you have to choose one.

I mean stock m14 has almost same DPS as stock deagles. except m14 has a lot more ammo and does rifle damage. which gives it lower shots to kill vs scrakes. Upgraded m14 has same dps as dual AF. and FAL has dps comparable to t4 deagles. Also spx on SS has higher dps than spx on GS (outside zed time ofcourse). Assuming RLLLR tree

But yeah GS is obviously better in zed time. That's sort of the point. SS creates ZT and GS excels in ZT

[Psycho Dad]

No argument there. I was just nitpicking the fact that SS>GS flat out and while SS has these advantages, you cant have them all at once.

Like you said and I said before...their DPS outside one shot builds is very similiar. I'd say killing a SC with EBR compared to Deagles is just about equally fast. More ammo, sure, but its 7 weight to 4 weight.
For high burst like the FAL, there's Magnums or upgraded Deagles.

[AllOutWar76]

I feel that SS requires better aim to play than GS. And when it comes down to a boss fight, unless you have godly aim GS is better IMO. The reason is SS does not get any perk weapon damage bonus, only headshot damage bonus, unlike most classes which get increased perk weapon damage per level.

With no perk weapon damage bonus, if you miss a headshot on a boss with a railgun or AMR your doing 0 damage until you rechamber and fire off another shot. And if you hit the body instead of head you do barely any damage. On large zeds, this is a non issue due to freeze grenades, and being able to 1 shot from any distance.

I feel they are close to equal during the waves, but I truly feel that GS has a much easier, forgiving boss battle than a SS.

[Eze]

Sharpshooter is like those hard but rewarding characters of fighting games: they requiere skill and discipline. Mastering the perk can be hard but rewarding, and no doubt, fun and useful.