AA12 op or no???

[ПомогиPLSS]

Scrake, fleshpound, or boss doesn't matter. Spam it like there's no tomorrow, too easy. Even Mr.Foster has something to say about it every time I wip it out. Thoughts?

[Brownstone]

Yes it's op, but not as effective as you say against fps and Hans.

[ПомогиPLSS]

Originally posted by Mr. Brownstone:

Yes it's op, but not as effective as you say against fps and Hans.

First time playing it in months and hans was absolutely an easy bullet sponge. Might of been because of the wonking path finding on that snow map, I forget what it's called.

[Maximus]

Don't play on normal difficulty and you will see that aa-12 has too low ammo compered to dps.

[Sekani]

AA12 is a good trash cleaner when you don't have time for headshots, but it runs out of ammo way too fast if used on big zeds on high difficulties.

[Deadman]

On higher difficulties its not OP at all. You just waste ammo against FPs, for SCs its good but you run out of ammo very quickly.

[Blasbo Bibbins]

Good for scrake-busting, useful as an emergency trash-clearer, no good for fleshpounds. Only doing half damage against fleshpounds on such a low ammo reserve will run you dry before you can do substantial damage.

[FoolishNinja]

there are people that think AA-12 is op? :D
No, I would say its underwhelming, since the damage for the price and the ammo it has (4mags) its nearly useless in HoE.

[Brownstone]

Originally posted by Foolish Ninja:

there are people that think AA-12 is op? :D
No, I would say its underwhelming, since the damage for the price and the ammo it has (4mags) its nearly useless in HoE.

Never killed Patriach in 10 seconds?

[ted]

Originally posted by TheDankestMister:

Originally posted by Mr. Brownstone:

Yes it's op, but not as effective as you say against fps and Hans.

First time playing it in months and hans was absolutely an easy bullet sponge. Might of been because of the wonking path finding on that snow map, I forget what it's called.

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[Phillip]

On suicidal difficulty and above it's not very useful.

Sure you can kill scrakes easily with it, but it has to be almost all body shots because the shotgun's spread is too wide to make headshotting a possibility. Since a scrake's body hp is so high on suicidal and beyond, you have to spend a clip just to kill one. You get 80 shots total... so that gives you 4 scrake kills before you are useless. On wave 10 I'm not sure how many scrakes spawn, but with a full 6 player game it's a lot more than 4.

When I saw a good gunslinger killing scrakes in about 5 seconds, I started to wonder why I am bothering to play support.

On fleshpounds it's pretty useless. You can stand up to them point blank range while they're taunting after having killed another player, empty a whole clip into them, and they just walk it off.

[Brownstone]

Originally posted by Pfreece:

On suicidal difficulty and above it's not very useful.

Sure you can kill scrakes easily with it, but it has to be almost all body shots because the shotgun's spread is too wide to make headshotting a possibility. Since a scrake's body hp is so high on suicidal and beyond, you have to spend a clip just to kill one. You get 80 shots total... so that gives you 4 scrake kills before you are useless. On wave 10 I'm not sure how many scrakes spawn, but with a full 6 player game it's a lot more than 4.

When I saw a good gunslinger killing scrakes in about 5 seconds, I started to wonder why I am bothering to play support.

On fleshpounds it's pretty useless. You can stand up to them point blank range while they're taunting after having killed another player, empty a whole clip into them, and they just walk it off.

The AA12 has more ammo and more damage than any other Support weapon. If you think it is a bad weapon, the whole class is bad. You're just not supposed to use it against FPs. And it's easy to kill Scrakes with headshots, you don't need to empty the whole clip, only Boomstick has a wide spread, any other shotgun is very accurate. It just has a very high fire rate that burns ammo very fast. If that makes a weapon bad for you, I don' know what to say... So you're telling me that doubling Scar's fire rate would make it useless?

[FoolishNinja]

Originally posted by Mr. Brownstone:

Originally posted by Foolish Ninja:

there are people that think AA-12 is op? :D
No, I would say its underwhelming, since the damage for the price and the ammo it has (4mags) its nearly useless in HoE.

Never killed Patriach in 10 seconds?

You mean you can only kill him with AA-12? Never heard that AA-12 does bonus damage to Patty

[Brownstone]

Originally posted by Foolish Ninja:

Originally posted by Mr. Brownstone:

Never killed Patriach in 10 seconds?

You mean you can only kill him with AA-12? Never heard that AA-12 does bonus damage to Patty

No other weapon can kill him in 10 seconds because DPS

[Rocknack]

The AA12 is an amazing weapon. Due to its high rate of ammo- consumption however, I find it perfectly balanced.

[Anticitizen 1]

Originally posted by Mr. Brownstone:

If you think it is a bad weapon, the whole class is bad.

Ah, yeah, the whole class IS bad. I say this as someone with a Level 25 support as well as a Support HOE completion. It is easily the worst class in the game which pisses me off since I loved the Support in KF1. Just because Support can output bulk DPS with one weapon doesn't make it a good class, given how little ammo it has. Can you tell me one thing that Support does that isn't done better by another class? And don't mention welding, it is not just useless in KF2, it actually does more bad than good for your team.