Killing Floor 2

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MeoWeoMeow 2016 年 9 月 6 日 下午 11:13
MP5 vs MP7 damage comparisions needs adjustment (If going by what experts in law enforcement say)
7 comes after 5......lol so why does the SWAT perk have the mp5 damage to be more than mp7... ? Even gun shows like "future weapons" said the 7 is far superior:

mp5 ; 9x19 para (does not go through hard walls)

vs

mp7 ; created to improve HK mp5 uses 4.6 ( shoots through level 2 kevlar, and international +NATO ballistic helms )

Muzzle velocity:

mp5- 900 ft/sec velocity

vs

mp7- 2378 ft/sec.

effective range and penatrating fire power of the mp7 surpasses the mp5 "more than two times higher."
if the update made the damage for mp5 to somewhere 26, then mp7 should be something like 50 or so, not 16.

besides...my friend's uncle was a police chief and said that the round could travel in the target's blood stream, making the 4.6 not just the better cailber but also the deadlier, which is why some countries ban civilians from having it. These are just some of the obvious reasons why HK prices the gun at a steeper price than the mp5.

I would like to see some sort of adjust ment to mirror these facts
referance:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7TmgyiLoY4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOkJE7IGs-w
最後修改者:MeoWeoMeow; 2016 年 9 月 6 日 下午 11:17
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Link 2016 年 9 月 12 日 上午 3:31 
isn't the round skinnier? Correct my gun knowledge but as far as I know, the MP7 shoots long but skinny bullets while the MP5 has small but fat bullets, I'm not sure if that's correct because I don't know much about ammunition D:
Carbohydrates 2016 年 9 月 12 日 上午 11:24 
Skip this post if you don't want to read paragraphs about ballistics
引用自 MG.Gauss
yeah but police chief said because the casings are off, the bullets can travel- keep in mind when the rounds are fired, they no longer have casing, and it is small enough to lodge in arteries.
I'm aware that the case does not travel with the bullet. The size of the bullet isn't the issue with why this is impossible, though. A bullet that penetrates 12 inches won't come to stop in a bloodstream, it will blow straight through and past it because the bullet's momentum isn't stopped by contact with a human body, only slowed. The bullet would have to be surgically placed into someone'special bloodstream for this scenario to occur, which, yeah, would be a bad thing.

引用自 MG.Gauss
Thats why law enforcements frawn on the mp7, because they want it off the streets, and it is illegal to own in some places.
In the US, it's not a concern. The MP7 is not imported in any form for a couple of reasons: first, until recently, a semiautomatic version of the gun didn't exist, only a fully automatic version, and automatic weapons manufactured after 1986 are not legal to own by individuals. Second, the German government traditionally has export restrictions on military-style weapons. This is why HK exports firearms like the SL8 instead of the G36 that it's based on. So for these two factors, there are no MP7s stateside anyway.

Also, even if the MP7 was available, it's not the firearm itself that causes controversy, it's the ammunition. 4.6x30 is controversial because the combination of its bullet size and velocity lend it very nicely to armor penetration, which is a thing we frown on heavily in the US. Its closest analogue is FNH's 5.7x28 cartridge, an extremely similar "armor piercing" PDW round. Now, technically speaking, only the 5.7x28 SS190 FMJ AP is an armor piercing round, and since it's prohibited from ownership by civilians, the guns are fine to own. In practice, however, even civilian-legal factory ammunition can defeat level IIA body armor, and there are third party loadings available that defeat even stronger armor. That is the reason 4.6, 5.7, and similar high penetration PDW rounds are frowned upon.

That said, to wrap this all back around to the original discussion, armor penetration is really the only thing 4.6x30mm (and, by extension, the MP7) is good at. Beyond that, it's a small bullet that imparts less ballistic energy with a smaller wound channel than 9mm (or just about any other pistol caliber).

引用自 MG.Gauss
Thanks for your thoughts, they were very thoughtful, and it also got me thinking if it was a lie.
You're welcome. It's a fun conversation if you're a gun nerd.
Carbohydrates 2016 年 9 月 12 日 上午 11:30 
引用自 Linkle S. Jr
isn't the round skinnier? Correct my gun knowledge but as far as I know, the MP7 shoots long but skinny bullets while the MP5 has small but fat bullets, I'm not sure if that's correct because I don't know much about ammunition D:
Spot on. The MP7 fires 4.6x30mm and the MP5 fires 9x19mm. Those measurements refer to the diameter of the bullet and the cartridge length respectively. You can also compare the bullet weights: 4.6x30 usually uses a 31gr projectile, while 9x19 tends to fire a much heavier 115gr projectile.
MeoWeoMeow 2016 年 9 月 15 日 下午 2:26 
you know , now that I lvl up my SWAT some more the mag count is like 60+ (FN p90)and I was like.. wth?! then thought..... i dont care no more, this perk is so wonkers
最後修改者:MeoWeoMeow; 2016 年 9 月 15 日 下午 2:26
JohnTravoltage 2016 年 9 月 15 日 下午 3:40 
I also kind of wish the mp7 was after the mp5, just because visually it looks more modern/futuristic and is quite comfy with the suppressor. Whereas the mp5 looks older, annoyingly large etc.

Sometimes I just want to stick with mp7/p90/vector over mp5/p90/vector.

That being said, the sight picture of the mp7 could justify its use over the mp5.

It would be interesting if they actually had them doing different damage types, mp7 better against fleshpound/other enemies who are normally resistant to bullets, with mp5 being better against trash zeds.
最後修改者:JohnTravoltage; 2016 年 9 月 15 日 下午 3:41
Skateboarding Stickman 2016 年 9 月 16 日 上午 5:46 
引用自 MG.Gauss
flesh pounds are armored flesh, they are genetically engineered illuminatti transhumanist weaponry.... Thus the armor piercing round trumps the 9x19 against larger zeds with armored skulls. So you can forget your eloquent arguement, thanks.

And every other zed is not. However it would be cool to have some unique passive for MP7 to deal more damage to FPs.

This would mean that the P90 should also have that bonus, since it was also designed to have greater penetration than 9mm parabellum would hold.

Also, I think the MP5 is just fine right now. It pretty much had all the buffs to make it a viable T2 option.
最後修改者:Skateboarding Stickman; 2016 年 9 月 16 日 上午 5:47
plumboby 2016 年 9 月 16 日 上午 6:17 
pitty the mp7 isnt teir 2 its such a nice gun cheap on ammo efective gun to wipe out trash in zed time it shud be teir 2 with biggar ammo capasity & even twin mp7s as a 1v1 25 perk be fun & the way the mp7s are they are light & smooth shooting with nice balance the mp5 is as is effective a mag to kill a scrake on suicidal aiming for head eats ammo mangles the scrake & fleshpounds but on the thing i use the mp7 on all my load outs saying that now the bonus is i got a lvled 25 commando i use the smgs in my commando loadouts to suit it makes a difrence i found having simular but lighter weapons effective with the commando perks zed time has saved me in many sticky situations same as carrying a mp7 as well with the comando buff the ar15 since buff isnt so weak now go way to mix up the game to hope TWI reads threw some our ideas
Weretiger Rei 2016 年 9 月 16 日 上午 6:48 
sure is /k/ in here
引用自 Weretiger_Rei
sure is /k/ in here
there's not enough memes to be /k/ yet
Bleydoka 2016 年 9 月 16 日 下午 4:44 
i live in europe, we haven't seen guns for decades. they could make waterpistols stronger than the mp7 and i wouldn't mind.
JohnTravoltage 2016 年 9 月 16 日 下午 9:49 
引用自 ThrashBash
i live in europe, we haven't seen guns for decades. they could make waterpistols stronger than the mp7 and i wouldn't mind.

This discussion isn't suited for people who don't care about it.
Nyra 2016 年 9 月 17 日 上午 12:35 
The MP5 has a larger caliber than the MP7.
omegaskorpion 2016 年 9 月 17 日 上午 10:31 
引用自 ThrashBash
i live in europe, we haven't seen guns for decades. they could make waterpistols stronger than the mp7 and i wouldn't mind.

well depends what part of europe, most countries allow gun owning, so long as you dont have criminal past, weapons you buy are semi automatic and 100 pages of paper work to get license for gun owning.

But yeah there aren't as many guns here as there are in America.
Only weapon i have seen (outside of air rifles) up close was deactivated KP/-31.

When it comes to the MP7 and MP5 the MP7 only is better at armor breaking, but not much els and considering that the ingame MP7 is silenced it propably also has subsonic ammo to make it silent, which in return makes it even more weaker.
MP7 bullets are also so small that they won't deal as much damage to body as the MP5 9mm rounds would do and considering the impact they create, they would propably hurt fleshpound slightly more than tiny rounds would.
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