G36 is broken

[๖คፈɬเς Ꮄน∂Ꮛ]

Wtf how is a gun that cheap so good? Is anyone else feeling the same? Literally no recoil and it shreds everything.

[Aya]

They probably saw that they could get away with P2W weapons after remembering that the Piranha Pistol exists. Expect the Winter Solstice's lightning gun and ZED Eradication Device to be similarly P2W

[Psycho Dad]

Its not that great vs larges. Its also 1600 dosh, thats not "cheap".

[Aya]

Originally posted by Psycho Dad:

Its not that great vs larges. Its also 1600 dosh, thats not "cheap".

I think they meant "cheap" as in cheap tactics

[๖คፈɬเς Ꮄน∂Ꮛ]

Originally posted by Psycho Dad:

Its not that great vs larges. Its also 1600 dosh, thats not "cheap".

I meant cheap as in cheaper than 2,000 dosh. It's a 2,000 dosh item imo. Maybe you're right about the larges but it's got a large mag size. I like it, will keep using it.

[Psycho Dad]

Its very good, alright. Its kinda broken vs Matty because it just shreds the cannon so fast. I'm also kinda bummed that its dlc because its now SWATs best trash killer. Its not some sidegrade with a stupid gimmick, its legit the best at the very thing SWAT is supposed to do. Its AR damage, hits alot of breakpoints that most other SWAT weapons dont and you have the anti armor "gimmick" on top of it.

I think they meant "cheap" as in cheap tactics

Still need to aim and hit headshots. Look at that abomination that is the new SURV weapon. THATs cheap.

[Bathtub Shitter]

the recoil is oddly not there but this is not the first p2w weapon or broken weapon in kf2

[Hudson]

It's broken because it does everything (reminder Commando and his guns do it too minus the armor pen), Kriss + HRG Nailgun is still favorable if you are hurting for speedy takedowns.

Downsides are the wonky red dot, rather long reload, slow RPM and that it delays your build because of the ammo cost unless you are tap firing all early game.

[Mannahara]

low recoil , high dps , cheap t4 ($1600) and armor penetration on a smg?
imo that gun is too overpowered and need to be nerfed

[Hudson]

Originally posted by 三連慶豐包子 Winnie Xi:

low recoil , high dps , cheap t4 ($1600) and armor penetration on a smg?
imo that gun is too overpowered and need to be nerfed

Feel free to nerf it, nerf Commandos Hollow Point Rounds in return so it stays fair cheers.

[Bathtub Shitter]

Originally posted by Psycho Dad:

I think they meant "cheap" as in cheap tactics

Still need to aim and hit headshots. Look at that abomination that is the new SURV weapon. THATs cheap.

Apparently if a weapon is part of the base game it doesn't have to be balanced according to the community's ♥♥♥♥ logic. People got mad that it got nerfed and it's still op..

[Seth Abercromby]

The armor-piercing property is the only thing really unusual about the G36C imo. In terms of other assault rifles, the best comparison is the SCAR-H, Commando's T4. Compared to the G36C it has higher base damage and deals considerably more damage overall as Commando has access to Hollow Points, while SWAT has no damage-increasing skills in their kit.

The two Zeds the 36C has a significant advantage over is Rioters as it ignores their head armor and the current seasonal version of husks in their full-body suits of armor. Abomination is a little easier to kill with it as some of the damage goes to its HP rather than all of it being eaten by armor plates until they break, but I'd also argue dealing damage to Abomination is usually the least of your worries as that fight is more about not letting it overwhelm you with its AoE poison nonsense and maintaining crowd control.

But I personally think assault rifles and SMGs have always been extremely lenient on recoil since launch in this game. The only ones that really jerk your aim around are those with extra gimmicks for off-perks like the M16 grenade launcher or 401 healing darts. Burst fire in this game is also super janky. It's either borderline unusable as each bullet immediately hits you with the full recoil completely throwing off the subsequent shots, or you have FAMAS which does have the tight grouping but basically zero recoil at all. I assume they couldn't figure out a good solution in-engine to have realistic recoil behavior on burst fire, as the idea irl is that you have three rounds leave the barrel in an extremely tight grouping before the recoil is actually felt by the shooter, but then they are obviously hit by the force of three bullets at once.

[Psycho Dad]

Current Husks dont have armor. Its just a skin.
More importantly, it one shots Stalkers on body shots and one shots Gorefiends to the head.

[CryonicSuspension]

Did not seem viable on HoE difficulty due to low rate of fire ( as compared to Kriss, Nail Gun or even P90 ).

[Seth Abercromby]

Originally posted by Psycho Dad:

Current Husks dont have armor. Its just a skin.
More importantly, it one shots Stalkers on body shots and one shots Gorefiends to the head.

Ah. They seemed to die faster from G36, but that may also have been placebo. They seemed to have s lightly more head HP, like 10% damage reduction at most, but I hadn't really bothered to see what was happening behind the scenes. I'm sure you just mistyped the name, but for the benefit of anyone else reading this thread Gorefiends have 150 head HP, Gorefasts have 50, so G36C needs 3 shots and 1 to decap them respectively.

And yeah G36C meets the 50-damage breakpoint, but it's not an exclusive club on SWAT either. Most notably, UMP has the same base damage for two less weight and a similarly capable holo sight which may be useful in making space for alternatives like a 201 to supply team healing, but sacrifices about 35% of the total ammo pool 36C has available.

EDIT: I need to make a minor correction that I hadn't mentioned because I forgot about it, Stalkers have a 10% damage resistance against SMGs, so specifically against them UMP fails to meet the one-shot kill requirement at +0. This can be corrected at +1 where it'll meet that damage requirement for a somewhat less favorable 6 weight over the G36C's 7 still, but if paired with the 201 this leaves you at 6 weight to spare, just enough for a Kriss without upgrades as your DPS machine.

[Aya]

Well, the thing about the G36C is that it has a unique mechanic where hitting EDAR or Rioter armor still deals 80% damage to its health, and 20% damage to the armor.