Why all the hate for survivalist?

[.triple Cat]

I just solo completed a HoE (boss was Matriarch) solo mission with a lev 17 survivalist why do people say it sucks so much? I also love being able to use melee effectively without being berserker and the speed boost is good for solo too

[Bathtub Shitter]

Survivalist is a perk designed to fill gaps in team comp, but some players will try to juggle everything (sometimes poorly) likely raging big zeds without killing them from lack of damage, or enough experience for proper big zed kills, resulting in teammates playing slow glass cannon perks getting bodied. It takes an experienced surv player to actually preform well, or the usage of overly meta weapons like the kaboomstick, rpg, or crossbow for big zeds. It's much better suited as a trash cleaner/support perk imo but there's plenty of wiggle room for variety in roles.

Can't say i like the idea of a generalist perk either because it's almost always likely to suffer from power creeping and constant balance changes. HIgh survival speed perks can also lead to weird play style choices because they're allowed to make many mistakes and get away with it even if it hurts the team, Which leads some to have a general dislike for survivalist players.

[Spoke]

The reason is that some people take this game way too seriously. Every perk (except swat i suppose) is a generalist to some degree. Some people are also stuck in 2016 when survivalist was much weaker than he is now.

He is a good pick now, if you're good enough you'll carry 6p HoE when needed. He trades raw power for survivability so make sure you tank hits for your teammates in dire situations.

[Psycho Dad]

Originally posted by Freekill:

Honestly the only classes that can't move much from their playstyle is Demo and Medic...

Demo got more spam trash kill options then really good large takedown ones. It can do both, although a trash killing Demo is propably the most annoying playstyle ever.

Medic, now that it has gasgasgas out the ass can, similar to Demo, totally forget what its actually intended role is, and mass kill trash by lobing nades at spawn/chokepoints. Its about just as annoying as a trash killing Demo.

[Rocknack]

I don’t want a generalist perk in this game. And the fact that it’s viable on 6p hoe means jack. I can do 6p hoe with a lvl 14 Firebug. What does that mean that the perk is poorly balanced? Yes and no. I can do it, score lots of kills but I’d probably screw my team over if I wasn’t careful not to rage random ♥♥♥♥.

Survivalist is viable yes. I for one find it annoying that I can’t tell at the first glance what that player will contribute. Kill trash? Heal? Large Zeds? None of the above? I mean come on this game is constructed around specialized perks. Why is there a perk that completely ignores a core principle of this game… still can’t wrap my head around it.

[.triple Cat]

Originally posted by Psycho Dad:

Originally posted by Freekill:

Honestly the only classes that can't move much from their playstyle is Demo and Medic...

Demo got more spam trash kill options then really good large takedown ones. It can do both, although a trash killing Demo is propably the most annoying playstyle ever.

Medic, now that it has gasgasgas out the ass can, similar to Demo, totally forget what its actually intended role is, and mass kill trash by lobing nades at spawn/chokepoints. Its about just as annoying as a trash killing Demo.

Havent ever seen the kaboom stick the weapon that one shorts quarter pounds and 2 shorts fleshpounds lmao?

[.triple Cat]

Originally posted by Rocknack:

I don’t want a generalist perk in this game. And the fact that it’s viable on 6p hoe means jack. I can do 6p hoe with a lvl 14 Firebug. What does that mean that the perk is poorly balanced? Yes and no. I can do it, score lots of kills but I’d probably screw my team over if I wasn’t careful not to rage random ♥♥♥♥.

Survivalist is viable yes. I for one find it annoying that I can’t tell at the first glance what that player will contribute. Kill trash? Heal? Large Zeds? None of the above? I mean come on this game is constructed around specialized perks. Why is there a perk that completely ignores a core principle of this game… still can’t wrap my head around it.

mald

[Aya]

Originally posted by Rocknack:

I don’t want a generalist perk in this game. And the fact that it’s viable on 6p hoe means jack. I can do 6p hoe with a lvl 14 Firebug. What does that mean that the perk is poorly balanced? Yes and no. I can do it, score lots of kills but I’d probably screw my team over if I wasn’t careful not to rage random ♥♥♥♥.

And what if the generalist is just as good if not slightly better at tanking than the dedicated tank?

[Rocknack]

Originally posted by Aya:

Originally posted by Rocknack:

I don’t want a generalist perk in this game. And the fact that it’s viable on 6p hoe means jack. I can do 6p hoe with a lvl 14 Firebug. What does that mean that the perk is poorly balanced? Yes and no. I can do it, score lots of kills but I’d probably screw my team over if I wasn’t careful not to rage random ♥♥♥♥.

And what if the generalist is just as good if not slightly better at tanking than the dedicated tank?

My point is that the fact that the perk is viable doesn’t mean I can’t hate it. And it also doesn’t mean that it should be in the game.

And that also applies to his ability to tank.

[.triple Cat]

Originally posted by Rocknack:

Originally posted by Aya:

And what if the generalist is just as good if not slightly better at tanking than the dedicated tank?

My point is that the fact that the perk is viable doesn’t mean I can’t hate it. And it also doesn’t mean that it should be in the game.

And that also applies to his ability to tank.

THIS CLASS IS JUST TOO GOOD FOR THIS COOP HORDE GAME REMOVE IT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Serious]

Survivalist is neither better or worse as most other perks. It's just one of the easy to play perks like medic or zerk, but it's also easy to fail and anoy others with this one, like demo, medic or firebug.
It's not about how good or bad survivalist is, it's about his teamplayoptions and necessity. After all KF2 was and still is a coop-shooter.
Even if you don't like coop or play it singleplayer only the mechanics and balance should be optimized for coop.
Survivalist and medic are prime examples what devs should NOT do if they care for the team-mechanics they (or other devs) build into the game years ago.

[Mary]

Can't reliably heal, tank, kill big zeds, clean trash or extend zed-time.
The only thing Survivalist can be used for is his 100% stun skill.

[.triple Cat]

Originally posted by Serious:

Survivalist is neither better or worse as most other perks. It's just one of the easy to play perks like medic or zerk, but it's also easy to fail and anoy others with this one, like demo, medic or firebug.
It's not about how good or bad survivalist is, it's about his teamplayoptions and necessity. After all KF2 was and still is a coop-shooter.
Even if you don't like coop or play it singleplayer only the mechanics and balance should be optimized for coop.
Survivalist and medic are prime examples what devs should NOT do if they care for the team-mechanics they (or other devs) build into the game years ago.

What an absolutely idiotic take "It's a coop game so you should suffer for playing alone ♥♥♥♥ you you dont deserve a single class out of the 10 thats good on solo"

[Eze]

That stopped with the buffs. I just can be a better healer while doing the demo job of taking Fleshpounds out. If you see demos that don't know that part is their job, please, tell them.

[Hudson]

Used to be weaker, perk is overloaded now, nobody is hating it anymore.

[Wraith Crashout]

The only good thing about survivalist is being able to carry the AA12 and RPG at the same time