Is Hip-Fire still accurate and Aiming is a useless feature?

[FTL]

Played in the past, thought of to maybe return, but remembered that haven't liked this detail a lot.

[Benny]

I very rarely use the ads. Once you get a feel for the zed movements and get used to the game it is very rarely neccesary apart from a few situations. You have to have 360 vision as the zeds can teleport behind you, and ads tends to make me tunnel vision.

[Ricardo Milos]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Venom_:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Ricardo Milos:

Said 159 hour guy

yes exactly why is it so easy for me and so hard for him??

Who said hipfiring (or not using ADS) is hard for him? He has around 4k hours in a game and, I suppose, pretty much extensive experience in both hipfiring and ADSing.

[cold]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Ricardo Milos:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Venom_:

yes exactly why is it so easy for me and so hard for him??

Who said hipfiring (or not using ADS) is hard for him? He has around 4k hours in a game and, I suppose, pretty much extensive experience in both hipfiring and ADSing.

thats his words
"E.g. SWAT wave 1, MP7 has unmanageable recoil and high spread. You 1-shot clots with it without ADS. However, if you use it to take down bloats (which you shouldn't but okay) or rioters you'd better crouch still and ADS."

mp7 is so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ easy ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥
also saw his gameplay he knows what he is doing but the aim and movement for 4k hours is really mediocre at best and he has a hard time hitting zeds in the head while hipfiring

[cold]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Venom_:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Ricardo Milos:

Who said hipfiring (or not using ADS) is hard for him? He has around 4k hours in a game and, I suppose, pretty much extensive experience in both hipfiring and ADSing.

thats his words
"E.g. SWAT wave 1, MP7 has unmanageable recoil and high spread. You 1-shot clots with it without ADS. However, if you use it to take down bloats (which you shouldn't but okay) or rioters you'd better crouch still and ADS."

mp7 is so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ easy ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥
also saw his gameplay he knows what he is doing but the aim and movement for 4k hours is really mediocre at best and he has a hard time hitting zeds in the head while hipfiring

also why would you ads on bloats????????????? you can just spray while running and dink their head in seconds it takes 0 effort and minimal aim

[Ricardo Milos]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Venom_:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Ricardo Milos:

Who said hipfiring (or not using ADS) is hard for him? He has around 4k hours in a game and, I suppose, pretty much extensive experience in both hipfiring and ADSing.

thats his words
"E.g. SWAT wave 1, MP7 has unmanageable recoil and high spread. You 1-shot clots with it without ADS. However, if you use it to take down bloats (which you shouldn't but okay) or rioters you'd better crouch still and ADS."

mp7 is so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ easy ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥
also saw his gameplay he knows what he is doing but the aim and movement for 4k hours is really mediocre at best and he has a hard time hitting zeds in the head while hipfiring

I don't know what gameplay vid oh his you are talking about. I'd really like to see yours too.
Overall, I think this discussion is pointless, because there is really no significant difference between hipfiring and ADSing until the user successfully disposes zeds. There are some specific cases like headtracing Fleshpound's head with FN FAL or AK12, or decapitating Scrakes with T5 Railgun in a single shot, but other than that I believe it doesn't matter whether you are aiming down sights or firing from hip. A matter of preference.

[cold]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Ricardo Milos:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Venom_:

thats his words
"E.g. SWAT wave 1, MP7 has unmanageable recoil and high spread. You 1-shot clots with it without ADS. However, if you use it to take down bloats (which you shouldn't but okay) or rioters you'd better crouch still and ADS."

mp7 is so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ easy ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥
also saw his gameplay he knows what he is doing but the aim and movement for 4k hours is really mediocre at best and he has a hard time hitting zeds in the head while hipfiring

I don't know what gameplay vid you are talking about. I'd really like to see yours too.
Overall, I think this discussion is pointless, because there is really no significant difference between hipfiring and ADSing until the user successfully disposes zeds. There are some specific cases like headtracing Fleshpound's head with FN FAL or AK12, or decapitating Scrakes with T5 Railgun in a single shot, but other than that I believe it doesn't matter whether you are aiming down sights or firing from hip. A matter of preference.

i dont mind uploading a vid soon
anyways it is a preference but hipfire is more like a meta
its like why would you use rhinos when you have better options? you might use the rhinos because its fun for you and thats alright but saying they are better is just delusional
just like hipfire vs ads
ads is better than hipfire only when you are getting perk buffs and long ranges that you are not confident enough to hipfire

[Poor huwhyte Carl]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Venom_:

mp7 is so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ easy ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥
also saw his gameplay he knows what he is doing but the aim and movement for 4k hours is really mediocre at best and he has a hard time hitting zeds in the head while hipfiring

You are just bullshitting with zero evidence and experience. Anyone can compare the MP7 behavior with ADS and crouching and without ADS and crouching and in minutes notice a huge difference.

A man of honor would have carefully, in a controlled environment, without any skill required, compared both scenarios, calculated the bullets it takes to take down, say, a rioter and how many were missed and how many landed, before making any solid statements.

But being who you are you are just running your mouth with no regard to truth.

[cold]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von 100% huwhyte healing darts:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Venom_:

mp7 is so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ easy ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥
also saw his gameplay he knows what he is doing but the aim and movement for 4k hours is really mediocre at best and he has a hard time hitting zeds in the head while hipfiring

You are just bullshitting with zero evidence and experience. Anyone can compare the MP7 behavior with ADS and crouching and without ADS and crouching and in minutes notice a huge difference.

A man of honor would have carefully, in a controlled environment, without any skill required, compared both scenarios, calculated the bullets it takes to take down, say, a rioter and how many were missed and how many landed, before making any solid statements.

But being who you are you are just running your mouth with no regard to truth.

mp7 is easy its just a fact not my problem you bought an account with 4k hours or afk farmed them
lmao you are now saying ads to waste less ammo yet you cant hit ♥♥♥♥ as a SS you barely hit their bodies and as a SS you should go for their head
with any class you should aim for the head unless you are a firebug with a flamethrower or trash zeds and you are a demo
learn to aim and move first then talk nn bot

[cold]

159>4k
facts

[Ricardo Milos]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Venom_:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Ricardo Milos:

I don't know what gameplay vid you are talking about. I'd really like to see yours too.
Overall, I think this discussion is pointless, because there is really no significant difference between hipfiring and ADSing until the user successfully disposes zeds. There are some specific cases like headtracing Fleshpound's head with FN FAL or AK12, or decapitating Scrakes with T5 Railgun in a single shot, but other than that I believe it doesn't matter whether you are aiming down sights or firing from hip. A matter of preference.

i dont mind uploading a vid soon
anyways it is a preference but hipfire is more like a meta
its like why would you use rhinos when you have better options? you might use the rhinos because its fun for you and thats alright but saying they are better is just delusional
just like hipfire vs ads
ads is better than hipfire only when you are getting perk buffs and long ranges that you are not confident enough to hipfire

Mate, just open the first video, which you can find in his profile and check out HoE+ challenge as Sharp on Evac Point. His aim is pretty good from what I see on this video, and I am not even saying that he doesn't use crosshair (neither default, nor the custom one from a Workshop).

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Venom_:

i dont mind uploading a vid soon.

Well, a video proof of your superior aim would be a nice addition to support your statement. Because currently I only see that you are being salty to a person who has not even been offensive or unfriendly to you, to begin with.

[cold]

sure ill upload today and post it here

[Poor huwhyte Carl]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Venom_:

mp7 is easy its just a fact not my problem you bought an account with 4k hours or afk farmed them

Cut the garbage and answer a simple factual question, does ADS in KF2 reduce the random weapon spread? Because if it does -- it's worth it to use it, there's no arguing here.

[cold]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von 100% huwhyte healing darts:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Venom_:

mp7 is easy its just a fact not my problem you bought an account with 4k hours or afk farmed them

Cut the garbage and answer a simple factual question, does ADS in KF2 reduce the random weapon spread? Because if it does -- it's worth it to use it, there's no arguing here.

its not worth using it like you are saying it is
perks buffs and long ranges point stands

[Poor huwhyte Carl]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Venom_:

its not worth using it like you are saying it is
perks buffs and long ranges point stands

That's some progress, as "worth" is in the eye of the beholder. At least you aren't denying that ADS reduces the random spread.

Now the "worth" can be quantified in bullets missed. Since you've chosen it yourself, an MP7 used to take down a rioter scenario can be used for that. Let's say, there's a rioter at a medium to close distance, which is common in game, say 1200 in-game distance units. We can calculate the number of bullets missed/landed with or without ADS all other things equal.

If the number of bullets missed is significant (it is) then this little detail is a question of life and death on higher difficulties and tight scenarios when one just doesn't have time to close the distance and shoot the rioter's leg at point blank range.

From here inevitably follows that ADS is not useless and in fact should be used for survivability in this particular scenario (and there are many others).

[Spoke]

Recoil and Bullet spread are independent. This is why the FAL is a laser in Zed time, but Slinger Guns fly off to the side. Sharpy guns have 0.007 mod spread mod. While Slinger guns are much more inaccurate at 0.015 if you're using 1911s/Revolvers or 0.010 if you're useing good guns like af2011 or deagles.
This is why the SPX is so easy to use in Fan Fire. it's not because it has less recoil or shoots slower, but it has Sharpy accuracy.
ADS reduces the random spread by a massive 0.5x and crouch reduces it by an additional 0.75x.
In short, it's useful for some types of weapons.